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Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by jasonkostempski on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @11:28AM (#13987191)
How about ads with privacy? They are not mutually exclusive.
Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by Chaebixi on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @11:36AM (#13987285)
> How about ads with privacy? They are not mutually exclusive.

Yeah, but internet advertising fetishizes "personalization" and quantitative metrics, which are predicated on invasions of privacy. Advertisers could put those toys down, and go back to more traditional, privacy-preserving advertising, but I don't think they have the maturity and willpower to do so on their own.

Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by ouid on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @01:47PM (#13988784)
you're asserting that the reason why advertising organizations who are competing to deliver the most valuable advertising product to their clients end up invading people's privacy is a lack of maturity and willpower? You're insane if you believe that this problem is not systemic.
Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by Chaebixi on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @02:49PM (#13989373)
I was talking collectively about the ad-men and the companies hiring them. And yes, I think the group lacks the maturity and willpower to act ethically in the face of competing pressures.
Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by sfifs on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @07:14PM (#13991487)
That's called TV. Cost per reach point on TV is a lot lower than the internet which charges advertisers extra for "targeting"

Can be done... rates would have to go down below TV to work and even so will be attractive only for big advertizers (think billions in sales).. Smaller advertisers would have no interest in the medium without targeting

Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by hackuser on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @02:06PM (#13988958)
> How about ads with privacy? They are not mutually exclusive.

Mozilla attempted this on the Firefox home page. Nobody understood the point (partly Mozilla's fault for poor messaging) and it was roundly criticized for putting advertising in the browser, instead of providing a solution to funding websites without violating privacy.

Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by omginternets on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @02:46PM (#13989328)
Targeted ads already convert miserably, so they (unfortunately) sort of are mutually exclusive...
Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by sp332 on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @11:41AM (#13987344)
How would they know what kind of ad to show if they don't know anything about you?
Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by mattnewton on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @11:52AM (#13987453)
The same way it used to work: you show the same ads to almost everyone based on the content, not the people. Not that I think advertisers will go for it.
Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by api on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:02PM (#13987557)
That's considered "spray and pray" today. Today advertisers want data, data, data, and micro-targeting is everything. The entire advertising industry has become something akin to a private signals intelligence agency.
Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by criddell on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:18PM (#13987720)
Today? For the past 20 years I've been hearing how data collection will enable advertisers to precisely target ads and that ads would go from being a nuisance to being useful.

It's not working very well. How much more data do they need to collect before it starts working?

Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by theandrewbailey on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:30PM (#13987895)
They know what product I'm going to buy... after I've bought it. They've almost got it right; all they need is a time machine.
Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by bdcravens on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @01:11PM (#13988403)
I love it when I've bought jewelry for my wife and every damned ad is for the same jewelry store. Hard enough hiding a gift, now I have to hide my browser like I'm sneaking around watching porn.
Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by pinewurst on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @01:26PM (#13988552)
That's just what either private browsing or ad/tracking blockers are for now. Under the coming regime, they'll track where you've been but you'll still (for now) be able to block the resultant ads.
Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by jklinger410 on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:23PM (#13987798)
This is not the fault of the platform, but the advertiser.

When you see an ad that's too tailored most people just get scared anyway.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by criddell on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @12:52PM (#13988164)
I don't believe that for a second.

I've seen relevant ads beside search results on Google, but that doesn't really take a lot of magic to figure out that when I search for "Aeropress", I'm interested in coffee.

Ads in podcasts have been somewhat effective as well. I use Blue Apron, I like Audible, I've checked out Squarespace, I bought a Casper dog bed. AFAIK, none of the podcasts know anything about me, but they do know generally who their audience is.

Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by sp332 on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @05:13PM (#13990626)
It's true. Here are two pages of references from Bruce Schneier. https://books.google.com/books?id=MwF-BAAAQBAJ&pg=PT194&lpg=...
Re:Comcast-Funded Civil Rights Groups Claim Low-Income Peopl... by Chaebixi on Wednesday March 29, 2017 @02:42PM (#13989288)
> That's considered "spray and pray" today. Today advertisers want data, data, data, and micro-targeting is everything.

And even with all that, the most of the targeted ads aren't any more compelling than content-based "spray and pay."

IMHO, targeted ads are pointless unless they're a targeted to a search query.