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Re:Facebook activated my dormant account and won’t let me de... by tech2 on Monday March 27, 2017 @06:21AM (#13966425)
You're not the customer, you're the product.
Re:Facebook activated my dormant account and won’t let me de... by Ajedi32 on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:42AM (#13967614)
In practice that's not really a meaningful distinction. For a business that survives by selling ads, pissing off your users is just as bad as pissing off your advertisers; you need both to survive, not just one or the other.
Re:Facebook activated my dormant account and won’t let me de... by tech2 on Monday March 27, 2017 @04:44PM (#13971592)
Maybe, but like anything else there will be a calculation performed to determine how much it pisses people off as opposed to how much they might make by having people be suckered into^W^Wrejoin the fold.

It's like Ford in the 70's with the Pinto, trading off the cost of law suits vs. the cost of a recall.

So, yes. I agree with you in spirit, but not all users are as skilled, or upset, by this as others. And some may actually be lured back in.

Re:Facebook activated my dormant account and won’t let me de... by Ajedi32 on Monday March 27, 2017 @04:56PM (#13971704)
That has nothing to do with whether you're a paying customer or not though. (As illustrated by your example with Ford, where the people being harmed were clearly "the customer", not "the product".)
Re:Facebook activated my dormant account and won’t let me de... by jondubois on Monday March 27, 2017 @11:54AM (#13968750)
I don't understand why this was down-voted, it's a very insightful quote and not the first time I've seen it.

People severely overestimate their own free-will and downplay the role of luck and external forces in their lives. If free-will was absolute and unlimited, then Facebook wouldn't be able to make any money from advertising. If you look at Facebook's income statement, you can actually quantify how much free-will Facebook took away from humanity.

Facebook's mission is basically to take free-will out of people and turn it into dollars for corporations.

Re:Facebook activated my dormant account and won’t let me de... by YCode on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:38AM (#13967579)
Don't frustrate returning products then.
Re:Facebook activated my dormant account and won’t let me de... by tech2 on Monday March 27, 2017 @04:45PM (#13971597)
So long as the trade-off doesn't upset too many, they may still end up ahead.
Re:Facebook activated my dormant account and won’t let me de... by drusepth on Monday March 27, 2017 @07:11AM (#13966678)
I pay for Facebook (ads, as well as boosting posts). That makes me a customer, I guess.
Re:Facebook activated my dormant account and won’t let me de... by tech2 on Monday March 27, 2017 @04:46PM (#13971610)
You may fulfill both roles, customer and product, but I think that would make you a bit of a rarity. They can upset you as a product and support you as a customer at the same time.
Re:Facebook activated my dormant account and won’t let me de... by koolba on Monday March 27, 2017 @07:32AM (#13966774)
> I pay for Facebook. That makes me a customer.

How does one pay for Facebook? Is there a premium service I'm not aware of?

Re:Facebook activated my dormant account and won’t let me de... by drusepth on Monday March 27, 2017 @08:00AM (#13966926)
Hey, sorry. I edited my comment to clarify shortly after posting it, but I imagine you probably loaded the page in the meantime and responded later.

I run ads on Facebook for several Facebook pages and additionally promote their posts (using the per-post boosting) fairly regularly.

Re:Facebook activated my dormant account and won’t let me de... by koolba on Monday March 27, 2017 @09:02AM (#13967316)
Okay that makes sense. I thought it was from the perspective of a John Q. User who has a Facebook account.

In your example though the Ads are the product you're paying for. Not the Facebook account that is purchasing them, though I see how they're inherently linked.

Re:Facebook activated my dormant account and won’t let me de... by Belphemur on Monday March 27, 2017 @07:45AM (#13966845)
When you own pages you can use Facebook advertising system to #feature# your page on it.

Same way Google do with adword on their search page.