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Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by HoppedUpMenace on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @02:45PM (#13924972)
Its ridiculous the amount of energy and effort you have to waste in order to find a product that you don't suspect as being counterfeit on Amazon these days. The other day, I wanted a super bright flashlight that ran on AAA batteries and was of decent quality and price. I had to pour over the millions of listed flashlights, most looking physically identical, with the exception of the brand name printed on the flashlight itself. Then I read about how these flashlights are all mass produced by the same manufacturer and re-branded after distribution, so essentially 100 different flashlight brands are essentially the same flashlight (sorry, did a google search on this, don't remember exact link).

Anyways, I used Fakespot on a lot of these listings and it was pretty interesting to see just how many had questionable and outright blatantly fake reviews. Found the one I wanted, almost $20 and a couple of hours later. The flashlight definitely lived up to what it promised but I can't help but wonder if it would've just been easier to do this at a brick and mortar retail spot, like Fry's Electronics.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by parametrek on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @08:21PM (#13927539)
> The other day, I wanted a super bright flashlight that ran on AAA batteries and was of decent quality and price. I had to pour over the millions of listed flashlights, most looking physically identical, with the exception of the brand name printed on the flashlight itself. Then I read about how these flashlights are all mass produced by the same manufacturer and re-branded

You need a trusted third party to collate all of the information about a product category and then filter out all the crap. I have conveniently already done this for flashlights:

http://flashlights.parametrek.com/index.html

(Yes, I run it and yes it uses affiliate links.)

Also, AAA cells are terrible for flashlights. A single AAA cells is okay for a compact penlight but many use 3xAAA cells and 95% of the time 3xAAA lights have the worst engineering of any flashlight.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by nommm-nommm on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @11:08AM (#13931515)
"trusted third party"

Who can guarantee the third party is either trusted or impartial?

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by parametrek on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @11:55AM (#13931926)
> guarantee

Of course that is not possible. At best you can grade someone's past behavior according to a set of criteria. Though in this case most of https://reddit.com/r/flashlight/ would probably say that I am trustworthy and impartial ^_^

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by jseliger on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @03:30PM (#13925397)
Yeah. A variation on my own story: http://seliger.com/2017/01/09/tools-continued-careful-buy-am... . It's definitely changed my buying habits. For example, I just got a Fujitsu SnapScan... from Office Depot. There's no way I'm buying a moderately expensive electronic item from Amazon anymore.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by mhb on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @04:08PM (#13925724)
Agreed that Amazon should make it clearer when it is the actual seller, but, in your example, you knowingly bought from a third party. Why would this affect your future purchases from Amazon when Amazon is the seller?
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by dawnerd on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @06:05PM (#13926697)
What I dislike is when something has prime listed on it and when you look closer it's not even sold or shipped by amazon. Just some company that "meets the requirements". I use amazon's prime because their warehouse in 30 minutes away and I get stuff same day or overnight.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by bonestamp2 on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @03:49AM (#13929148)
I used to get my stuff that quickly, now they just wait a day or two before shipping it so it's still 2 days before it arrives.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by nommm-nommm on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @10:43AM (#13931312)
Yeah, they've been doing this forever with super saver shipping. They literally will not ship a product for 5 days if a warehouse is close.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by nommm-nommm on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:39PM (#13926512)
Commingled inventory means that Amazon can sell and ship a knockoff sent in by a third party seller.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by nommm-nommm on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:31PM (#13926452)
>Then I read about how these flashlights are all mass produced by the same manufacturer and re-branded after distribution, so essentially 100 different flashlight brands are essentially the same flashlight (sorry, did a google search on this, don't remember exact link).

This is called a "private label." You can find the exact un-branded product and order direct from China from either Alibaba or Ali-Express or eBay for like half the price of Amazon (if you don't mind waiting for something to ship from China)

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by peterjlee on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @04:24PM (#13925886)
When I buy phone chargers from Amazon I intentionally avoid the manufacturer branded ones because I know it's going to be fake. I usually choose a well known 3rd party brand with good reviews.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by jrnichols on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @04:40PM (#13926026)
poor experiences with cheap phone chargers/etc are the reason I've been sticking to the Amazon Basics line.

and then Anker, because the cats won't chew through those.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by andyzweb on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:36PM (#13926495)
>poor experiences with cheap phone chargers/etc are the reason I've been sticking to the Amazon Basics line.

This is a brilliant strategy on Amazon's part.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by kogepathic on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @01:36AM (#13928688)
> This is a brilliant strategy on Amazon's part.

Indeed. I was recently in the market for a small mono/tripod to bring with me on vacation.

Looking at the "Best Sellers" for this category, it's blatantly obvious that Amazon is just taking the existing top 3 models, copying them almost 1:1, and then undercutting the original product price with their "Amazon Basics" branded product.

How are you supposed to survive selling a product when even Amazon is out there copying it and selling it for less?

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by SmellyGeekBoy on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @05:39AM (#13929587)
Are you sure they're not just buying them in from the manufacturers and rebranding?
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by kogepathic on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @06:28AM (#13929783)
They might be, but what would the manufacturer's incentive be to compete with "Amazon Basics" ?

Amazon is selling it for less, and putting their branding on the product.

I'm hardly a widget manufacturer, but to me this would be a nonsensical choice for a them to manufacture as an ODM for Amazon when they're also selling their own product through Amazon.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by jessaustin on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @06:16PM (#13926791)
So what's the over/under on when Amazon will be cluelessly selling commingled counterfeits of "Basics" items? A week?
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by chipperyman573 on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @06:50PM (#13927015)
Amazon Basics is amazon's line of products, you can't sell them yourself because they'd always be counterfit (or used)
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by jessaustin on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @06:57PM (#13927049)
By the same process in which Amazon has sold counterfeit NoStarch books, Amazon could also sell counterfeit "Basics" products. At this point, we're pretty sure it has something to do with commingling...
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by chipperyman573 on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @07:01PM (#13927073)
Why would Amazon let anyone sell an Amazon Basics product? It's not a "Basics" category, it's the "Amazon Basics" brand. Nobody else could produce those.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by jessaustin on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @07:23PM (#13927199)
Hey man, sometimes the system just does what you tell it to do, rather than what it should have known you meant. b^)
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by mjevans on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @12:01AM (#13928360)
If they aren't the only alternative that comes to my mind is someone /buys/ an actual Amazon Basics product, doesn't open it, and somehow sells it elsewhere while 'returning' a counterfeit product or defective unit to the inventory.

However if they (Amazon) are doing their job then the risk to reward ratio should be far too high on this.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by ansible on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @02:45AM (#13928907)
If Amazon doesn't have good controls to prevent people from selling fake Apple products, I wouldn't assume they have good internal controls to prevent the seeking off their own products either.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by nommm-nommm on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @11:15AM (#13931581)
They could create a well done fake listing.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by jrnichols on Friday March 24, 2017 @07:01PM (#13952929)
It really is. There's at least some level of trust there as well.

At least I was pretty sure they're Apple MFI certified. I've never had any issues with them at all, they're well priced, and so far, reliable. And they have a 1 year warranty, which is nice for a cable.

the Amazon Basics line has a lot of stuff. Dishes too!

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by nommm-nommm on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @11:13AM (#13931556)
There's a product called "Grannick's Bitter Apple" that you spray on cords to prevent the cats from chewing on them. It's labeled for dogs but it works on cats (in my experience).
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by nkrisc on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @04:26PM (#13925918)
Let me guess, those millions of listings of the same flashlight also ranged in price from $1.55 to $67.99, right?
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by HoppedUpMenace on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:15PM (#13926302)
Yep, super sketchy to say the least.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by Scaevolus on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @02:48PM (#13925002)
It was especially hilarious during the hoverboard craze-- there were hundreds of versions of the exact same item, being sold for $200-$1500.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by nommm-nommm on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:45PM (#13926558)
Were there any hover boards that weren't private labels?
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by fapjacks on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @07:16PM (#13927153)
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by zn44 on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:10PM (#13926252)
I wouldn't be too confident about quality or authenticity of products in brick and mortar retail spots
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by ams6110 on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:33PM (#13926470)
I wonder about that too. How do I really know that a pair of Levi jeans at Target is genuine?
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by timthelion on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:47PM (#13926571)
It doesn't matter. Levi's these days are trash. Bought a pair at the official Levi's store which lasted all of 6 months before there were holes in the pockets. (to replace a 5 year old pair that was fine except I was too fat for it.)
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by tremon on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @08:06AM (#13930217)
Agreed, I've had the same experience with clothing. I have a 15-year old sweater that is still in better condition than the ones I purchased one or two years ago.

It seems to me that most stores either sell counterfeit products, or all mid-tier brands have given up and sell low-tier products for the same old prices. It's no surprise then that consumers are flocking to low-price, low-tier stores: at least they know what they get.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by coldpie on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @09:31AM (#13930709)
If you're still on the market for cheapo whatever jeans, I've had good wear time on jeans from Round House. I've seen others recommend Pointer brand from LC King, though I don't have personal experience with them. Both USA-made.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by suvelx on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @09:47AM (#13930819)
They're almost guaranteed to be 'genuine' Levis.

But you can't be sure Target hasn't asked Levis to counterfeit themselves.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by nommm-nommm on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @11:18AM (#13931604)
What do you mean by "counterfeit themselves?"

Do you mean selling the same exact product made by Levis under the Target label?

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by suvelx on Thursday March 23, 2017 @09:59AM (#13939745)
Levis (may) make products specifically for Target with the Levis brand, but with inferior quality and materials to get the price down to fit Target's desired profit margin.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by nommm-nommm on Thursday March 23, 2017 @04:37PM (#13944012)
Interesting perspective.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by arjie on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @10:44AM (#13931321)
Thanks for FakeSpot. I used to use the "honest and unbiased" check. If your review is "honest and unbiased" you're probably reviewing a bullshit product.

Ah ha, it looks like FakeSpot is fooled when Amazon removes the bad reviews. Have a look at https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B010NEW9JM/. That's obviously some low quality bullshit. Find in page for 'honest' and it has the trigger phrase.

> I received this set at a discounted price in exchange for my fair and honest review.

> My wife and I review products that we receive either free or at a discount in exchange for our honest and unbiased reviews.

> Disclaimer: I received this product at a discount in exchange for my honest/unbiased review.

I wish we could kill these products and sellers with some secondary review process.

Also, Amazon should understand that we generally don't want these reviews removed because that effectively creates an antibiotic-resistant version of fake reviewers. Much better to leave them in so I can killfile them.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by AlexandrB on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @12:08AM (#13928397)
I ran into this recently while shopping for SLR filters. The listing on amazon.ca [1] looked pretty legit but price was too good and a few reviewers claimed these were fake. What threw me off in particular is that the seller for these B+W filters is B/W. However once I checked what else B/W was selling alarms went off immediately as it's all kinds of stuff with "BW" in the name, like these cheap security cameras [2].

I'm not sure how the average person has a snowball's chance in hell of spotting stuff like this on Amazon. It's getting very sketchy.

[1] https://www.amazon.ca/XS-Pro-Clear-Filter-Multi-Resistant-Co... [2] https://www.amazon.ca/BWND4S-Definition-FormatTVI-Vari-Focal...

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by nathancahill on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @01:21AM (#13928646)
Yeah, it's terrible. I pretty much won't touch anything new on Amazon unless it has: been recommended by a friend or been well-received on /r/BuyItForLife or Sweethome/Wirecutter.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by ericd on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:27PM (#13926418)
Not a handheld flashlight, but if you're still looking, I highly recommend the Black Diamond Spot found here here: http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-headlamp/ . Super bright, but adjustable, durable, good spread and throw distance, and sips power at reduced brightness settings.

And related, I've had very good luck with just going with The Wirecutter's/The Sweethome's picks when I don't feel like poring through a bunch of reviews on things. As a warning, though, I'm normally immune to the desire to buy random crap I don't really need, but they seem to break through that for some reason.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by ansible on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @02:37AM (#13928884)
I had a similar situation with multi-tools. I was looking for other brands outside of the big ones (Leatherman, SOG, Gerber) to set what my options were. On Amazon, there were a bunch of nearly identical multi-tools sold under different brands names. That turned me off from wanting to buy there at all.

Ending up buying one directly from Leatherman's website.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by esMazer on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @03:47PM (#13925535)
I only buy when is sold directly "by amazon" if the seller is not amazon then all bets are off.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by nerdy on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @03:54PM (#13925609)
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by fredophile on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @04:42PM (#13926046)
My understanding is that Amazon mixes their stock with items from other sellers as long as they have the same sku. If this is true there is no benefit in buying things sold directly from Amazon.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by CPLX on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:12PM (#13926264)
That doesn't work at all to solve this problem.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by reeddavid on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @09:26PM (#13927850)
I've had the same problem with kitchen strainers, bike seats, and microphone stands. Hundreds (thousands?) of nearly-identical products on Amazon, all private-labeled, most with questionable reviews. Zero confidence that it's a good product.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by jmspring on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @09:01PM (#13927731)
If we are at the point where Amazon is being compared to quality at Fry's, things have gotten really bad. Fry's has so many issues with returns, etc. and just slapping them back on the shelf.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by sytelus on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @02:00AM (#13928780)
Also the funny thing is that most of these fakes have extra-ordinary specs :). So the real ones have lower but true specs and are listed at much higher prices. The consequences is that you can't even see real item until you get to 4th or 5th page!
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by 0x38B on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @09:08PM (#13927768)
This is where Amazon loses out for me. I've started buying things on sites devoted to that item - a camera and lenses on FredMiranda, flashlights on Candlepower forums (highly recommend it for flashlights), and so on.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by spatulon on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @04:18PM (#13925830)
Out of interest, what torch did you end up buying?
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by HoppedUpMenace on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:21PM (#13926359)
J5 Hyper V Tactical Flashlight. Was really bright as advertised. No complaints but its hard for anyone to understand how bright a flashlight is until you actually use it, but youtube videos definitely help and so do legit reviews.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by fapjacks on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @07:24PM (#13927208)
These specific flashlights can be bought from AliExpress for two or three dollars a piece. I totally agree that they're a great light, just don't pay more than a couple bucks for one. I bought a pack of five for ten dollars.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by sjs7007 on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @02:59AM (#13928957)
link?
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by fapjacks on Friday March 24, 2017 @08:43AM (#13948495)
Sorry, I can't seem to find a link. It's been a year or so since I bought them, but I've got one of these flashlights in every room where I spend time, and a couple in my hiking/camping gear. They are not stupid bright, but the light is bright and very uniform. I'd keep checking AliExpress. I'm sure a pack of them will pop up again sometime. Sorry I couldn't find a link.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by danjoc on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @02:50PM (#13925022)
All those rebrands are coming from alibaba. Just go to ali express and buy direct if you want one. The "entrepreneurs" using jungle scout are flooding amazon with rebranded alibaba stuff.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by komali2 on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @04:09PM (#13925737)
This is go-to strategy for /r/entrepreneur's crowd. If I remember correctly, Tim Ferris even recommends it in "4 Hour Workweek."
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by stagbeetle on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @04:23PM (#13925871)
It's the go to of the (small-business) entrepreneurs all over the web (TheFastlane, /r/entrepreneur, etc.).

I'm fairly certain it started around 4 years ago with Matt Clark's "Amazon Selling Machine." A friend who paid the $1000 let me watch the course and it was a pretty simple (and old) tactic.

Buy wholesale and sell at markup. Except this time you would have it under your own "private label" (i.e a Chinese factory would slap your logo on a generic and sell it to you).

Apparently he made a killing doing the same thing with silicone spatulas.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by OJFord on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:16PM (#13926322)
> $1000 ... course

Wow. Surely the best advice such a course could possibly give would be 'convince people you can teach them to make money, and charge a lot for it'.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by thejosh on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:29PM (#13926438)
Yeah a few years ago it was SEO courses , now Amazon selling courses which are way overpriced, next ... ?

Who gets rich in a goldfish, the miners or the person selling the tools?

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by foota on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @06:02PM (#13926676)
If you're in a goldfish I think you're already out of luck
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by s917 on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @06:20PM (#13926817)
I think he's trying to say "you can't teach a goldmine to ride a bicycle".

Edit: Humorless. Sad.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by foota on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @08:18PM (#13927521)
I didn't downvote, but I just don't think people understood the joke (I for one didn't)
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by eric_h on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @05:18AM (#13929498)
Pure goldfish, thanks for that.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by thejosh on Thursday March 23, 2017 @12:23AM (#13937360)
No, meant goldrush, not sure why I typed goldfish..
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by clouddrover on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @07:12PM (#13927133)
> Who gets rich in a goldfish

I think it must be the diver because he found the treasure chest, assuming that it isn't counterfeit:

https://www.amazon.com/Bestgoo-Aquarium-Ornament-Live-Action...

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by antisthenes on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @11:13AM (#13931558)
Historically, the people who got rich during the gold rush were the ones offering services and selling goods to the miners.

So the answer to your question is the latter.

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by oostevo on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @11:19AM (#13931607)
The private labeling strategy is also getting to be a thing in the travel hacking crowd too.

See, for example, http://www.frugalhack.me/2017/02/23/private-labeling-101-int...

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by sytelus on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @02:04AM (#13928791)
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by robryan on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @06:06PM (#13926709)
It works if you have an audience. I suspect very few of those who are just sticking the stuff up on Amazon are successful unless they happen to find a niche without a lot of other people doing the same thing.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by Pica_soO on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @04:24PM (#13925890)
Yes, its those Americans ripping off books and printing them for near free, ruining English artists and writers. Remember the HMS Pinafore- what a royalty massacre, by those lawless Bösentals!

There is only one way, to bring those evil-doers back to the light of justice. Tax them for whatever they stole! Oh, sorry, wrong century, wrong villain!

Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by jerf on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @04:35PM (#13925985)
I assume you're trying to imply that danjoc is racistly assuming that these "entrepreneurs" are Chinese? It seems to me you're the one who brought that assumption in. Alibaba is Chinese, sure, but the "entrepreneurs" in question are not necessarily.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by Pica_soO on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @05:08PM (#13926232)
I try to relive the historic moment, when printing without royalty was common place- also know as enlightenment. Im not implying racism, its just the anger of the has-something over the ladder climbers beneath taking the same steps, his grandfather took, to get "up". I mock, what every book on the history on printing could tell you- that this joke was here several times. Although never this cheap before. People who laughed at historys repetition, also laughed over..
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by rhizome on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @06:30PM (#13926885)
Impressive Markov work, dude.
Re:Sellers printing counterfeit books and selling under Amaz... by Pica_soO on Wednesday March 22, 2017 @04:04PM (#13934326)
There is plenty of room at the bottom. Yesterday they screamed for the singularity, for information to be free, today it is free, and they yell for protection, of their minds hard labor, so completely different from the protection they deny those who work with their hands. Tomorrow, some Namibian kid, learning with cheap ripoff books, will cure there cancer, allowing them to scream on for the centuries to come. To get downvoted by this, this is praise.