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Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by jonjenk on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @09:38PM (#13760476)
This is a joke. The latest MacBook Pro redesign is an affront to pro users.

At our hardware/software startup the new MacBooks are unusable due to the limitations of the USB-C ports. Our engineers refuse to engage in the dongle shenanigans necessary to get these computers to work with the displays and the other peripherals necessary to do their jobs.

We just purchased several of the old MacBook Pros to make sure we have enough for new hires and interns arriving this summer.

Apple cares about Pros? Heh.

Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by zimzam on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @09:48PM (#13760536)
Your engineers are unwilling to use a dongle to connect to a monitor? Something that is so trivial to set up once and never deal with again sounds more like an attitude problem than a technical one.
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by strict9 on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:03PM (#13760612)
"set up once and never deal with again ..."

maybe you bought a laptop that stays in the exact same position and location for the foreseeable future.

for those who use it in more than one place, it's more than a minor annoyance.

Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by scentedmeat on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:06PM (#13760633)
The monitor doesn't go anywhere. Just leave the dongle.
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by robert_foss on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:11PM (#13760665)
Yes, get a dongle for every possible monitor you'll ever connect to.
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by dpark on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:23PM (#13760755)
Why not? You bought a cable for every monitor you'd ever connect to. The hdmi cable your monitor came with definitely didn't plug into your MBP from 2015.
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by jolux on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:29PM (#13760803)
They did used to have HDMI actually.
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by csydas on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:48PM (#13760920)
While true it's beside the point that was made earlier on. The Parent complains about "dongles", but really it's not much different than having to plug a portable computer into all of the accessories that are there already, there's just something extra tacked on. It's not like other vendors and set ups are immune to this; my previous work place had a Dell contract and their desktops came with some stupid video card where there was only one out-put and the only way to get dual monitors was a Y splitter from Dell.

In custom setups, if your card isn't Dual [connection], you use an adapter for DVI or HDMI, and so on.

Apple does have a lot to answer for, and their idea of "dongle for everything" does get tiresome and Apple should be above that. But it's not like it's unique to Apple or even new in the computing world. This has been standard for a long time.

Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by syntheticnature on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:57PM (#13760972)
I used to work at a place with a Dell contract, and I had a laptop ...with a docking station.

I always pooh-poohed proprietary docking stations before I had one -- all the cables went to it, dock the computer, done. Best of all, it wasn't having plug something in where you need to set the computer down, then navigate something with one hand -- the dock felt nice and intuitive to set the laptop down upon with two hands, as if it was meant to be part of setting your computer down. Even worked flawlessly with my Linux install.

Sadly the E-series dock was not as intuitive -- I found it easier to manually plug in my headphones as the dock was a different sound device.

Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by droithomme on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @11:17PM (#13761064)
You know what? I don't want to have to buy or deal with dongles.

We have a number of standard interfaces that work well. I require those in my pro level machines.

And you know what? I get those in my pro level machines.

The reality is Apple doesn't make pro level machines. That's OK. Neither does Nintendo, Kraft, or Parker Brothers.

Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by jolux on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @11:44PM (#13761200)
It's funny because there isn't a single non-standard interface on the new MBPs and the old ones had magsafe (apple only) and thunderbolt (might as well be apple only)
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by droithomme on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @12:30AM (#13761435)
Cool, so you say it has USB 2/3, HDMI video, audio in/out, and Ethernet compatible with standard equipment, and without the need for dongles, that's awesome! I'll buy one tomorrow at the Apple store right after I confirm that you are telling the truth.
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by jolux on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @02:28AM (#13761998)
>Cool, so you say it has USB 2/3, HDMI video, audio in/out, and Ethernet compatible with standard equipment, and without the need for dongles, that's awesome!

What's this condescending bullshit for? Fuck's sake man, I never said it had it HDMI or ethernet (the audio situation hasn't changed) and if you had read this thread higher up you would see I was refuting someone who suggested they never had HDMI. They did, and now they don't. They haven't had ethernet since 2012 and for what it's worth they still do support USB 2 and 3, they just don't support those protocols over a type A connector, they support it over type C. Those dongles are standard (you don't have to buy Apple's) and can be had for $10 for a two pack: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AUKU1OO/?tag=thewire06-20&linkC... Adapters were much harder to find for the Thunderbolt 2 ports on the older MacBook Pro, you basically had to go with Apple for most things. Now you can buy the cheapest one Amazon will sell you and it should work.

But you know they don't have those ports, so I don't know what your deal is. I said all the I/O is now standard including the power connector. You can't say that of the older MacBook Pros much less any other PC laptop.

Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by jolux on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @11:43PM (#13761192)
I completely agree, I was just correcting the parent. Using a 2016 15" MBP to write this myself ;)
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by dpark on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:36PM (#13760847)
Damn it. I misread the spec sheet and thought they were lacking hdmi just like the Air.
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by EpicEng on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @02:13AM (#13761910)
Ummm... My 2015 MBP has an HDMI port... I use it every day.
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by salesguy222 on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:15PM (#13760706)
hey this sounds like a great way to increase revenue AND profit! thanks!!

i'm taking this nugget of an idea to Daddy Warren!!

Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by helthanatos on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:05PM (#13760630)
Exactly what I was thinking... My very limited (one person) "technician" can set up 30... I don't know what the problem is.
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by Bud on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:01PM (#13760600)
This is complete nonsense and probably just made up. The previous MB Pro design required adapters for the VAST majority of all monitors. There's nothing new here.
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by joezydeco on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:05PM (#13760625)
If jonjenk is doing hardware development, I can sympathize. I'll attest that literally nothing in my current bench environment is USB-C compatible. Dev boards, JTAG debuggers, emulators, UART bridges, signal scopes, SoCs...all USB 2.0.

Maybe he's talking about stuff other than charging cables and monitors?

Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by blackguardx on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:12PM (#13760674)
I would be shocked if most USB accessories didn't work with an adaptor. The old macbook only had two USB A ports anyway. I do hardware development and use a USB hub with my 2015 Macbook Pro. I'm guessing USB-C to to USB-A hubs exist and work well.
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by dpark on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:24PM (#13760765)
Don't be rational with your easy fix.
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by ssalazar on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @11:56PM (#13761273)
Yes, ditching physical compatibility with nearly every other connector currently in use, in exchange for a millimeter or two of thinness, is the rational option.
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by dpark on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @12:22AM (#13761398)
Connecting a USB hub to your half dozen peripherals is a lot more rational than expecting Apple to reintroduce USB-A connectors.
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by joezydeco on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @10:33AM (#13764454)
They exist, but if you read OP's statement "Our engineers refuse to engage in the dongle shenanigans" you can also see that they just didn't want to have more hubs to juggle in the course of their day.
Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by gurkendoktor on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:39PM (#13760870)
In my limited experience, HDMI is the new VGA in terms of availability. Projectors, TVs, screens all support it (even if it can't drive 10-bit modes or the max refresh rate).

If you bring a HDMI-capable Mac to a client and something doesn't work, it's their fault. If you bring a USB-C Mac and forget the dongle, it feels like a faux pas on your end.

Though to be fair, it was an aberration that the last (fantastic!) rMBP had a useful video port. Historically, portable Macs always needed crappy adapters.

Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by ebbv on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:46PM (#13760908)
Err I have had my 15" rMBP and have never needed a dongle. It supports thunderbolt/displayport and HDMI. I can connect not only to multiple monitors easily without dongles, I can connect to TVs.

The all USB-C design of the new Pros is not very Pro friendly. It should be the base MacBook.

Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by mark_l_watson on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @11:58PM (#13761286)
I have a new MacBook with the matched external LG monitor Apple sells. I love the combination. The monitor has one USB-c port to connect/charge the laptop and 3 other USB-c ports, one of which I always keep the $10 dongle to convert to the old USB plug size.

I never think of charging my MacBook because two or theee times a day I plug into the external monitor to work and don't even think of charging anymore.

Re:Apple's Tim Cook: We really care about pro users by nilkn on Tuesday February 28, 2017 @10:21PM (#13760751)
All our new developers are getting 2016 MacBook Pros with Touch Bar and there have been no issues of any kind that I know of so far.