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Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by stevoski on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @03:02AM (#13703981)
I built a desktop app (Poker Copilot) in 2008. I figured if I did it well, I'd have my own one-person software company supplying a steady stream of income with little ongoing effort. My product would be so intuitive that it wouldn't need a user guide. It certainly wouldn't need marketing because everyone in my target audience would spread the word that my product was what they needed!

Ha, what a fool 2008 me was. What I didn't realise was that my two main tasks for years would be marketing and customer support.

Coding new features (of which many were requested) and fixing bugs (of which there were many) had to be scheduled around the twice-daily customer support windows and the marketing efforts.

Nine years later, and still the stream of customer support requests has not relented! Nine years and still I'm focusing on marketing one day a week!

And of course, there are still bugs.

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by SyneRyder on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @03:46AM (#13704139)
"Nine years later, and still the stream of customer support requests has not relented!"

I wish I could upvote this more than once. Customer support burden is always underestimated. It's time consuming, especially if you want to do it properly & not just outsource to someone overseas following a script. Even releasing something as freeware is likely to cause an unintended stream of support enquiries. I have no idea how the folks selling 99c apps manage it, even one short email enquiry would wipe out a dozen sales or more (if you put a monetary value your time).

Kudos on charging a sensible price for your app & upgrades! I imagine at that price point it's okay if a sale incurs a support ticket or two.

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by WA on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @04:19AM (#13704253)
I sell B2C software with a subscription of 1.99€ per month. I have 7,000 active users. I get 5-10 emails per day max.

Before I charged money for my software, I was afraid of the overwhelming flood of customer support requests. Except they never came.

> even one short email enquiry would wipe out a dozen sales or more (if you put a monetary value your time)

Per email, yes, absolutely. Sometimes I take 20 minutes to answer a more complex email. But since I know that I don't receive more than 5-10 emails, I take the time and this person might recommend my software to other people, because of the great support.

An easy way to mitigate customer support is to have FAQs and lots of written texts on the website. Most people prefer to help themselves I think, because its faster.

Sometimes I wonder if this is a mentality thing. My customers are all Germans. Maybe US customers are faster to send a short email than browsing through FAQ.

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by SyneRyder on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @05:17AM (#13704472)
Your support metrics look similar to mine - it looks like about 20% of your customers send an email once a year? And up to 20 minutes per email sounds right to me as well. I guess that isn't a flood, but even half an hour of support per day adds up to a month of full-time work per year.

> Maybe US customers are faster to send a short email than browsing through FAQ.

I get some emails where the entirety of the support question is "The program doesn't work. Is it a bug? Please advise." Some customers don't mention which product they're using, or will even send me support enquiries for competitors products.

Not meaning to be ungrateful (I'm lucky to do what I do!), just that I couldn't afford to do it on a $5 one-off app purchase.

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by WA on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @06:07AM (#13704648)
> but even half an hour of support per day adds up to a month of full-time work per year.

1. You could repurpose emails and turn them into FAQ content (= small SEO improvements).

2. If I take the time to answer an email for 20 minutes, I just find it intriguing and such an email almost always helps me to improve my expertise a bit.

3. Even if it's a whole month of support per year: So what? This is my job and I get paid good money for it ;)

> "The program doesn't work. Is it a bug? Please advise." Some customers don't mention which product they're using, or will even send me support enquiries for competitors products.

Get aText or TextExpander or something like that, make a predefined template that asks for more information.

While I answer every single email, I try to spend the least amount of time on people who seem a bit...weird in their questions. If people don't take the time to write a good question, I don't take time to provide a good answer. Requesting more information is a good way to annoy them a bit back. Maybe they either clarify what they want or they'll try to help themselves.

> just that I couldn't afford to do it on a $5 one-off app purchase.

Have you thought about turning this into a subscription? If it provides value on a daily basis, people might pay more than you think, let's say $12 per year.

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by SyneRyder on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @06:42AM (#13704788)
> You could repurpose emails and turn them into FAQ content (= small SEO improvements).

I do that, but it also creates support enquiries for competitors products. I rank well for "how to install Photoshop Plugins", which means I get the emails for how to install my competitors plugins too :) Should be great lead-gen, but I've not found a way to convert those visits into downloads/sales of my own plugins.

> Have you thought about turning this into a subscription?

Sometimes, but some customers specifically said they bought my software because it wasn't a subscription. I'm also charging $20 - $25 per sale now, trying to price for at least one support case per sale.

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by WA on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @08:14AM (#13705170)
> Should be great lead-gen, but I've not found a way to convert those visits into downloads/sales of my own plugins

Ah I see. You've got some general advice content and people write to you about it. Since you obviously tracked conversion for that, I see these options:

a) Answer those emails sincerely as a hobby

b) Answer with a template only ("Please write to the creator of that plugin you found, they'd love to help you!")

c) Explain somewhere in the article that you can only provide email support for paying customers, then don't answer

d) Put in the article: "If you need help installing a plugin other than $MY_PLUGIN_NAME, I'm happy to provide support for you for $15 per 15 minutes. Buy customer support now"

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by SyneRyder on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @12:24PM (#13707190)
Ooh, I hadn't considered monetizing the non-customer support. It's a long shot, but maybe worth an experiment. Thanks for the idea!
Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by cannam on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @05:00AM (#13704416)
Even with "only" 5-10 support emails a day, though, you have to be very organised. I'm guessing you probably just are, and that's why you think that's no big deal.

If you're used to carving out a slice of your day to respond quickly to a batch of such emails, then it's fine. But if you're in a frame of mind where you're primarily worried about something else you really feel you need to get done, it can seem very hard to set that aside and reply to even a single email in any meaningful way.

(But yes, I've also had the experience that charging money does not suddenly make your users any more demanding.)

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by lettersdigits on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @09:06AM (#13705548)
> I get 5-10 emails per day max.

7.5(the average of your 5-10 emails per day)*30(days) /7000=~0.003 =%0.3

how would you explain the fact that only 0.3% of your customers send you an email/month ? What contributes to it being so low ?

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by nugator on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @09:36AM (#13705753)
Isn't it about 3%?
Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by barrkel on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @09:49AM (#13705874)
It's 0.0321428571428... - 3.2% indeed.
Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by kbos87 on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @12:40PM (#13707333)
In my experience, the amount of human touch you need to provide through support, sales, implementation - is more a function of your audience than anything else. Selling to software developers, you can probably get away with low to no touch across the board. Selling to SMBs who aren't all that computer savvy? Their default reaction is going to be to look for a phone number when they have a question. They may not even know what an FAQ is.
Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by Emc2fma on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @02:09PM (#13708249)
What's your product?
Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by hashmal on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @09:05AM (#13705540)
> I have no idea how the folks selling 99c apps manage it

they don't. or they quit. or they raise their price...

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by lettersdigits on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @07:01AM (#13704847)
>Nine years later, and still the stream of customer support requests has not relented!

You gave me an idea for a business model - Let's say you offer a pingdom-like service (to monitor your site availability and reliablity) -

You can just do the following:

1. Offer the service 100% Free, at your own risk

2. Offer a $x/month subscription . if you don't pay - you won't get any customer support.

Or, you can will still offer free support for non-paying customers, but without any priority (their tickets will be handled only after the paying customer's tickets)

Does anyone know of a company that is offering this type of model ?

(edit: added missing words and spacing)

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by tomeehan on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @08:23AM (#13705235)
A lot of SaaS businesses offer priority support for paying customers.

As a SaaS founder — I've always felt it's a bit of an odd value proposition — "pay me more, and I'll fix my flawed, buggy software".

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by Mathnerd314 on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @10:42AM (#13706305)
It works better with the Red Hat model: "Here's some flawed buggy software I wrote. Pay me and I'll make it work for your use case."

There's a small incentive to write deliberately obscured code, but I think it gets outweighed by maintainability concerns.

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by hinkley on Thursday February 23, 2017 @02:02AM (#13712188)
And the Apache Model: Write awful, placeholder documentation, then get an O'Reilly book deal to finally explain yourself and your code.
Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by DiabloD3 on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @03:11PM (#13708753)
Seems to be better known as the Sun/Oracle model.
Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by visakanv on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @11:49AM (#13706884)
> I've always felt it's a bit of an odd value proposition — "pay me more, and I'll fix my flawed, buggy software".

Hmm. I think it makes sense if you begin with the assumption that all software is flawed and buggy by default.

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by manigandham on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @12:07PM (#13707037)
Support doesnt mean broken software. Many times it's about how to use it correctly to solve a problem, and paying more for response times, customization and general level of work involved makes perfect sense.
Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by mratzloff on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @09:11AM (#13705578)
It's a good idea, which is why it's common practice. Every Google Cloud service is set up this way, for instance.
Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by gnode on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @08:15AM (#13705175)
This is a common model for commercial open source software.
Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by sharemywin on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @08:10AM (#13705151)
pay cancel -> 1yr -> pay cancel.

Also, you'd be incentivizing your company to make support more complex so users call, email etc.

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by lettersdigits on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @08:12AM (#13705155)
what ? please explain..

If you cancel the subscription, you won't get support. I don't understand your point :)

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by jclardy on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @09:01AM (#13705509)
I think they are saying someone will pay for support, use it, then cancel the subscription. The assumption there is that you offer a refund for the service, which I don't think is necessary (Especially once they have used a support inquiry.)

Apple in-app subs let you "cancel" but only in the way of not paying for the next renewal, so it is a widely used model already.

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by lettersdigits on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @09:09AM (#13705560)
> The assumption there is that you offer a refund for the service, which I don't think is necessary

exactly this. Just cancel his subscription the NEXT month, and you solved the problem, financially and technically :)

And who would HATE this proposition ? the spammers :) now they won't be able to do what the OP has suggested they might do (pay -> get support -> cancel ):)

(edit: spacing.

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by gnicholas on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @02:03PM (#13708194)
I'm curious to know if you've tried cutting down the customer support questions by offering different availability to different tiers of customers?

I spend a decent chunk of my time on support requests and have thought about this quite a bit. While the number of incoming support requests are evenly split across (1) people interested in purchasing, (2) people who have already purchased, and (3) people who are on our free tier, the latter group ends up having the longest support conversations.

I've thought about setting up an autoresponse that asks people to add their subscription ID to the email for priority service.

I don't know if this would work, backfire, or do nothing, and I'd be interested to know what others have experimented with.

Re:Why Founders Fail To Market Their Products by stevoski on Wednesday February 22, 2017 @02:37PM (#13708482)
We only have one tier of customer :)

It's an old-school desktop app with a 30-day trial period, a single payment to unlock the app, and a major new version released every two years available for an upgrade fee to existing users.