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Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by LordWinstanley on Saturday February 18, 2017 @06:23PM (#13677251)
I live in UK and never keep eggs the fridge. They easily keep for a couple of weeks or more. So I think the "use within a week" advice is over-cautious.

Handy tip, if you want to know if an egg's good* or not, without breaking it: pop it in a tall glass of cold water. If it sinks, it's fine. If it floats it's gone off.

[*'good' as in 'still fresh'. Unfortunately it won't tell you if it's full of salmonella, or not!]

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by desdiv on Saturday February 18, 2017 @08:27PM (#13677693)
Isn't this covered in the article?

>In Europe and Britain, the opposite is true. European Union regulations prohibit the washing of eggs. The idea is that preserving the protective cuticle is more important than washing the gunk off.

UK eggs are unwashed, thus still have their protective cuticles and thus can last much longer unrefrigerated. GP's quote only applies to American eggs, which are washed.

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by adevine on Saturday February 18, 2017 @09:40PM (#13677909)
No, I understood the article to state that washed eggs shouldn't be stored unrefrigerated at all (except to bring up to room temp just before cooking). The "1 week for unrefrigerated eggs" referred to eggs that still had their cuticle.
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by roryisok on Sunday February 19, 2017 @02:40AM (#13678599)
I live in Ireland, in the EU, and I'm fairly sure all the eggs in supermarkets here are washed. There's never a spot of dirt on them. And we always refrigerate, as does everyone I know
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by webignition on Sunday February 19, 2017 @03:03AM (#13678657)
My brother in law is a small-scale farmer in Wales and produces chicken and duck eggs. I've previously discussed egg washing with him.

My understanding from such conversations is that eggs in the EU are definitely not washed.

Supermarket caged-hen eggs are generally clean in appearance due to the lack of items that might otherwise stick to the them.

I have found free range supermarket eggs, on the other hand, to sometimes have small features stuck to them.

I'm not sure what accounts for the generally clean appearance of supermarket eggs. Maybe eggs are brushed in some manner to remove obvious dirt. But the washing of eggs is certainly not a legal practice in the EU.

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by pvaldes on Monday February 20, 2017 @05:43AM (#13686199)
If you wash and, worse, brush a porous surface, you are pushing the water and dirt directly inside the egg. If there is not a lot of dirt on the egg surface is healthier to let the egg as is.

In the other hand, you can have perfectly clean eggs if 1) you use a modern nesting box designed to hide the eggs and 2) provide independent sleeping areas higher to discourage the hens to sleep in the nesting boxes.

You could also scratch the surface with an old credit card or a knife but is better not to use water. Storing eggs in the fridge is also convenient, eggs shells shouldn't be in contact with other eggs.

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by justincormack on Sunday February 19, 2017 @05:03AM (#13678998)
I think they are automatically removed from the birds immediately, so they dont get dirty. I have had eggs from farmers that are very mucky...
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by jon-wood on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:06AM (#13678838)
It wouldn't surprise me if supermarket eggs are just selected, with any that aren't clean being thrown out.
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by Reason077 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:27AM (#13678889)
Here in the UK, when buying free-range supermarket eggs you definitely get the occasional egg with small bits of feather or poop stuck to them.

It's uncommon but it happens - they aren't throwing out the dirty ones.

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by paublyrne on Sunday February 19, 2017 @08:43AM (#13679629)
I'm from Ireland and I don't refrigerate eggs. Growing up, eggs were always in the cupboard not the fridge.

I have no idea what the most common approach is. Eggs are not in the fridge at the supermarket, so why they would suddenly need to go in there once you get them home, I'm not sure.

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by paganel on Sunday February 19, 2017 @03:53AM (#13678801)
I live in Romania, another EU country, and the eggs from the super-market are definitely not washed. They're also always refrigerated.
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by Reason077 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:32AM (#13678902)
Interesting. I don't think I've ever seen a UK supermarket put eggs in a refrigerated section. They're always sold from a standard shelf.
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by mjn on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:42AM (#13678932)
They're always refrigerated in Denmark as well, usually in the dairy section along with the milk, cheese, and yogurt.
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by perch56 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @05:10AM (#13679021)
I'm also Romanian, however living in Hungary. Can confirm this for both countries. Eggs in supermarkets as Aldi or Lidl are not washed, possibly slightly cleaned before they receive a print stamp for the date of production.

Edit: The egg boxes are stacked outside of refrigerators at room temperature.

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by raverbashing on Sunday February 19, 2017 @07:08AM (#13679322)
> and I'm fairly sure all the eggs in supermarkets here are washed

No, they're not washed. Lack of gunk is due to technique (or just cleaning mechanically) https://www.fsai.ie/faq/egg_washing.html

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by acqq on Monday February 20, 2017 @08:48AM (#13687141)
Also:

http://hoaxes.org/weblog/comments/artificial_dirty_eggs

"Artificially Dirty Eggs, 1973, the Dutch egg industry"

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by roryisok on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:59PM (#13682281)
ok, I learned something today!
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by Markoff on Sunday February 19, 2017 @12:59PM (#13680905)
that's not because they are washed but they come from farms where laid egg immediately fall down to clean storage instead of lying in hen house together with crap
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by to3m on Saturday February 18, 2017 @07:12PM (#13677425)
I live in the UK too... it's not that unusual to buy unrefigerated eggs with a use-by date of a month hence. You can leave them out, then hard boil them on that date, and they'll keep in the fridge for at least another week. I've always ended up eating them by that point though.

(I generally buy duck eggs rather than chicken eggs, though. Don't know if they last longer.)

FUN FACT: a couple of years ago I saw a Twitter thread between two British comedians/columnists/something/etc. trying to out-mock one another, and "I bet you refrigerate your eggs" was one of the lines.

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by fencepost on Saturday February 18, 2017 @09:10PM (#13677833)
As a side note on boiling eggs: older eggs are sometimes preferred for boiling because they're easier to peel, but if you're working with fresh eggs consider steaming them instead. Get the pan or steamer up to temperature, add eggs with a slotted spoon, cover, steam ~12 minutes, transfer to an ice bath to chill at least 5 minutes, peel.

For extra large or jumbo eggs, probably add a minute. Adjust to taste for future batches, 11-12 minutes should be cooked but still a bit darker in the center of the yolk.

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by zhte415 on Saturday February 18, 2017 @10:06PM (#13677989)
Boiling or steaming eggs for 12 minutes results in a tough white and dry yolk.

Just put them in a pot, not large, with enough water to cover the eggs and no more. Cold water. Add heat, high, and heat to boil for no more than a minute. Remove and put in cool/running water. Results in non-plastic whites and soft yolks.

Though, I prefer poached or scrambled. For boiled, quail eggs are great (and, where I live, also cheaper).

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by jwdunne on Saturday February 18, 2017 @11:27PM (#13678194)
I used to do this but actually I've started to get the water to a rolling boil and timing it just right from there.

6 - 7 minutes produces an egg where the yolks are not runny but are also not chalky and brittle. They have a creamy texture and deep orange colour. This on toast.

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by to3m on Saturday February 18, 2017 @10:16PM (#13678022)
That's for soft boiling, surely? Hard-boiled eggs are usually left in for longer. What I do for mine: put in cold water, place on medium heat until water begins to boil (~9 mins), deactivate hob and leave for 12 mins, rinse with cold water, dry and place in fridge, leave for 12-18 hours at least. When ready to eat: peel off shell, remove skin that's left near the air pocket, stuff in piehole.

(They're fine to eat immediately after boiling, of course, with the warmth making them actually quite tasty - but it's risky. Until they've done their time in the fridge, they're often difficult to peel and/or they'll have a lot of hard-to-remove skin left on them once peeled.)

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by fencepost on Sunday February 19, 2017 @11:33AM (#13680456)
Your method is what I was doing before I started steaming them recently, though I generally let them stand in the hot water for a couple minutes longer. If doing this, older eggs are much easier to peel. You might also try peeling after just 5 minutes in an ice bath.

Steaming them makes even the ones done with new eggs easy to peel, and they cook without an air pocket in my recent experience.

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by fencepost on Sunday February 19, 2017 @05:54PM (#13682663)
After a quick search for photos of various stages of "cooked" this page has both the method I had been using (cold start, bring to boil, turn off, let stand 10-15 minutes, cold bath) and what I'm doing now with steaming (steamer at temp, add eggs, steam 10-12 minutes, cold bath).

http://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/how_to_make_perfect_har...

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by zhte415 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @02:24AM (#13678551)
A little more than soft-boiled, but far from green-tinged yolks; this way the egg isn't runny but still soft and golden butter-like, not yet chalky. Water takes about 2-3 minutes to boil (gas). Cooking room-temperature eggs, not refrigerated, room temperature is about 20-22C.

Why on earth do you put them in a fridge for 12-18 hours? Serious. Are you at a catering company that does these in mass?

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by anonfunction on Sunday February 19, 2017 @01:00AM (#13678384)
Try peeling it under water or with flowing water on the egg. It makes the shell / skin peel off super good for me and doesn't cool the inside of the egg down either.
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by X86BSD on Sunday February 19, 2017 @01:52AM (#13678483)
Use white vinegar in your water to help make the shell easier to peel.
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by pmoriarty on Saturday February 18, 2017 @10:34PM (#13678055)
Soft-boiled eggs don't seem to be cooked enough to kill salmonella.

The FDA's advice is to "cook eggs until yolks are firm".[1]

[1] - https://www.fda.gov/Food/ResourcesForYou/Consumers/ucm077342...

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by jwdunne on Saturday February 18, 2017 @11:23PM (#13678184)
I think salmonella from a UK egg is incredibly rare now. Pregnant women are advised not too but they're advised to eat well done steak too:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25154046

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by Reason077 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:38AM (#13678922)
All UK chickens are vaccinated against salmonella. Not sure if it's an EU-wide practice but it's universal in the UK.
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by jwdunne on Sunday February 19, 2017 @06:28AM (#13679208)
Yes. The lion stamp means that effectively. I think it was a national initiative: Edwina Curry took the rap. In all the EU stuff slung about lately, eggs never get mentioned.

Unusual action for a conservative, however.

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by zhte415 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @02:44AM (#13678614)
FDA guidance is good for not getting poisoned. When you know how to cook/eat or appreciate someone that does, it is already redundant.
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by dorfsmay on Sunday February 19, 2017 @01:40AM (#13678459)
How do you make mayonnaise then?
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by pmoriarty on Sunday February 19, 2017 @02:05AM (#13678507)
I don't. But when mayo is made, one could use pasteurized eggs. Then the mayo should be safe from salmonella. I believe this is what is generally done when mayo is made commercially in the United States.
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by X86BSD on Sunday February 19, 2017 @01:51AM (#13678478)
Ancient chef secret:

For perfect hard boiled eggs place the eggs in cold water, some white vinegar, place on high heat and bring to a boil. Remove from heat once it boils and time for exactly ten minutes.

Remove and peel.

Perfect hardboiled eggs.

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by kranner on Saturday February 18, 2017 @10:01PM (#13677976)
Or get one of these egg cookers:

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Da...

They make perfect steamed eggs every time. Easy to peel too.

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by Reason077 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:43AM (#13678940)
That's right. The "best before" date on U.K. eggs is 28 days after the production date - and that assumes they won't be refrigerated.
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by DamnYuppie on Saturday February 18, 2017 @07:56PM (#13677588)
Please keep in mind that the weather in the UK is nothing like the south, midwest, and southwest of the US. It is way hotter and far more humid.
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by Pxtl on Saturday February 18, 2017 @08:52PM (#13677789)
Most middle-class Americans have air conditioning for that.
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by Reason077 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:24AM (#13678881)
'good' as in 'still fresh'. Unfortunately it won't tell you if it's full of salmonella, or not!

All UK chickens are vaccinated against Salmonella so there should be no chance of getting it from eggs. That's one reason why washing is considered unnecessary here.

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by DanBC on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:48AM (#13678951)
> All UK chickens are vaccinated against Salmonella

I think it's most, but not all, chickens. Vaccination is part of the red lion quality brand mark, and approx 80% of birds are part of that; and many farmers not part of it vaccinate too.

Vaccination isn't mandatory. There are some vigorous testing requirements as part of the National Control Programme for salmonella.

Maybe I'm wrong though, has this changed recently?

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachm...

> 1.1.3 The Advisory Committee on Microbiological Safety of Food (an expert independent group which advises the Food Standards Agency) considered Salmonella in eggs and reported on its findings in May 20011 and considered that the widespread vaccination of egg laying flocks against S. Enteritidis combined with improved flock hygiene measures had had a significant effect on the prevalence of Salmonella contamination of eggs and on salmonellosis in humans. In the UK a voluntary industry operated scheme (British Egg Industry Council) Lion Quality requires its members to vaccinate their layer flocks and to operate to specified hygiene standards. About 85% of egg production belongs to the Lion Quality scheme. In addition many producers who are not members of the scheme also vaccinate their flocks on a voluntary basis.

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by Reason077 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @05:47AM (#13679114)
> I think it's most, but not all, chickens. Vaccination is part of the red lion quality brand mark

Ahh, you're right. But I believe that all (or virtually all) eggs sold into the supermarket supply chain carry the red lion mark. The other 15% are presumably used by commercial customers where they are guaranteed to be pasteurised or cooked enough to prevent any onward contamination.

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by ksec on Sunday February 19, 2017 @05:20AM (#13679042)
But then why does US chicken have the same Vaccine? I am curious.
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by Reason077 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @05:54AM (#13679132)
But then why does US chicken have the same Vaccine? I am curious.

Apparently salmonella vaccine is not typically used in US egg production:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/25/business/25vaccine.html

Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by ksec on Sunday February 19, 2017 @08:55AM (#13679693)
Not Have
Re:Why Do Americans Refrigerate Their Eggs? by helthanatos on Saturday February 18, 2017 @06:30PM (#13677272)
I refrigerator eggs and keep them for months.