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Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by CptJamesCook on Sunday February 12, 2017 @06:19PM (#13631777)
As an average-looking man from an average family, if I want to attract a woman I need to be successful. The more successful I become, the higher quality of woman I can get.

For a woman, extra career success will not boost her attractiveness in the same way it will for me.

This is a huge incentive. If women don't have the same incentives to work hard as men, how can they achieve the same level of success?

Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by swalsh on Sunday February 12, 2017 @07:30PM (#13632133)
You're not a father clearly, you clearly don't understand how a 2 working parents relationship work. I'd urge you to listen instead of trying to internalize the issue, and discounting the reporting on it.

In the real world daycare works on banker hours. Usually you have to get there when other people are starting work, and you have to get there usually when people are leaving work. If you're late, you'll be charged a not insignificant amount of money PER MINUTE. This matters a lot when you realize how much day care is (it costs literally more than my mortgage...).

Think of the impact on having on average an hour less "working hours" than your coworkers per day.... By the way, you're not going to be able to just make up the time when you get home.... you have a child to take care of when you get home.

This is not an incentives problem, this is a logistics issue.

Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by sheepmullet on Sunday February 12, 2017 @07:44PM (#13632209)
Is it solely or even mostly a logistics issue?

IMO, the software industry is one of the most flexible industries. I've had flexible hours ever since changing into IT more than a decade ago.

And yet we have a large gender imbalance.

Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by dang on Sunday February 12, 2017 @07:22PM (#13632093)
This amounts to trolling whether you meant it that way or not. Please don't start flamewars on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Also, it looks you've been using HN primarily for political and ideological arguments (at least recently). That's not what we want here, and worse, it's actively destructive of what we do want—thoughtful discussions and intellectual curiosity. So please don't use HN like this.

Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by DrDimension on Monday February 13, 2017 @12:54PM (#13637252)
>> Also, it looks you've been using HN primarily for political and ideological arguments (at least recently).

We're all pretty sick of your badgering everyone with differing opinions, dang.

If you want a safe space insulated from intellectual diversity, try NeoGaf.

Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by CptJamesCook on Monday February 13, 2017 @01:05PM (#13637338)
The idea that the gender pay gap could be caused by different incentive structures motivating men and women seems rather new, which is the rule for discussing flame-war causing topics.

Nevertheless, I will try to be more thoughtful with my comments.

Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by beachstartup on Sunday February 12, 2017 @06:23PM (#13631802)
> As an average-looking man from an average family, if I want to attract a woman I need to be successful. The more successful I become, the higher quality of woman I can get.

be careful with this line of thinking.

if all you're looking to do is attract a mate with all that money, you're better off investing that time into acting lessons, music lessons, and athletic training.

or you might find out the hard way that being a charismatic, guitar-playing tri-athlete is going to land you a higher quality and more loyal mate than $10 million in the bank ever will.

Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by CptJamesCook on Sunday February 12, 2017 @06:38PM (#13631880)
I think it's important to improve oneself in every way, including fitness, demonstrable skills like guitar, and interpersonal skills (charisma).

I wasn't stating that only success matters, just that it is an additional factor and this is motivational.

Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by paulcole on Sunday February 12, 2017 @06:26PM (#13631817)
This is all insane. So much so that I'm not sure it is serious. An "average family"? Do you live in The Great Gatsby?

If this is a serious comment, you really need to reexamine how you interact with and feel about women.

Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by sheepmullet on Sunday February 12, 2017 @07:30PM (#13632128)
> This is all insane. So much so that I'm not sure it is serious.

The parents post is essentially arguing that women tend to find a different set of characteristics attractive than men do.

In particular monetary success in a partner matters more to women.

Can you post a serious counter-argument?

If you have research showing that women date down the income quartiles more often than men you could really add to the discussion.

Resorting to saying the parent has issues with women is not an acceptable level of discourse for HN.

Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by CptJamesCook on Sunday February 12, 2017 @06:32PM (#13631846)
I've spent much of my life examining this, and I happen to believe this is the world we live in. Are you suggesting that women are not in any way attracted to success?
Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by paulcole on Sunday February 12, 2017 @06:39PM (#13631884)
>if I want to attract a woman I need to be successful

fundamentally false

Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by CptJamesCook on Sunday February 12, 2017 @06:43PM (#13631906)
Have you seen any homeless men or janitors with high value women lately?

Did you know that women find 80% of men to be unattractive?

https://theblog.okcupid.com/your-looks-and-your-inbox-8715c0...

From the article: "As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh."

Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by RileyKyeden on Sunday February 12, 2017 @07:24PM (#13632107)
I suspect your desire to rank humans--high value? seriously?--affects your dating life more than your income.
Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by bitkrieg on Sunday February 12, 2017 @07:20PM (#13632088)
Huh? The article also states that women don't care much about looks. Much less than men.
Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by Sacho on Monday February 13, 2017 @06:12AM (#13634475)
Isn't that his point? That you need money, success, etc, not looks.
Re:How to Close a Gender Gap: Let Employees Control Their Sc... by projektir on Sunday February 12, 2017 @11:58PM (#13633233)
While I find such a view fairly gross, this is not very charitable. What is particularly insane about it? Troublesome, even wrong, doesn't make something insane. I've seen such a view stated many times. I hope we can do better than moralize, it just drives people with views like this further to the fringe.