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Re:The woes of Windows 10 by scholia on Thursday February 02, 2017 @06:49PM (#13556207)
There's a lot in the Control Panel. The more you move to the new Settings app, the more complicated Settings gets. And if Microsoft didn't provide all those settings, or dropped the whole Control Panel, there would be a tornado of criticism.

Life is hard when you have 1.5 billion users, especially when a lot of them resist attempts to modernise or even update the system.

Do it all at once, they'll complain bitterly. Do it gradually, they'll complain bitterly. Don't do it at all, they'll complain bitterly. Which complaint would you like to make today> ;-)

On the good side, ordinary users have few problems with the Settings app, and it seems to do all they need -- or at least it comes close.

And the people who are resistant to change and are already familiar with the Control Panel can still use it.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Silhouette on Thursday February 02, 2017 @07:20PM (#13556431)
Life is hard when you have 1.5 billion users, especially when a lot of them resist attempts to modernise or even update the system.

That's true, but it's probably a lot harder when you've proven to be untrustworthy in what you include under "modernisation" or "updates".

Plenty of techie people warned that user-hostile behaviour like the GWX campaign or including non-security things in updates advertised as security patches would damage that trust and come back to bite them later. I think a lot of people didn't really believe that would be the case at the time, but as the article here notes, the adoption rates suggest otherwise.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by seanp2k2 on Thursday February 02, 2017 @11:56PM (#13557788)
Not to mention all the dark patterns around pushing the Win10 "upgrade" in the first place.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by scholia on Friday February 03, 2017 @02:08PM (#13562318)
True. They pushed their luck, and got more than 400 million users onto a new OS. Not only that, it's a much better OS.

The only people who actually suffered were the OEMs, who didn't get to sell new PCs to all those people whose old PCs got a new lease of life.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Silhouette on Friday February 03, 2017 @09:43PM (#13565331)
I'm pretty sure all the people who were complaining about being tricked into upgrading don't agree with you.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by scholia on Monday February 06, 2017 @12:15AM (#13576689)
I'm pretty sure that was a small minority of more than 400 million users. It didn't happen on any of my Windows PCs, nor to anyone I know personally.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Silhouette on Friday February 03, 2017 @01:24AM (#13558141)
Yes. (GWX = common shorthand for those "Get Windows 10" updates.)
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by SeanDav on Friday February 03, 2017 @01:15AM (#13558108)
> "... especially when a lot of them resist attempts to modernise or even update the system."

I am one of those holdouts, however I would have upgraded a long time ago if Windows 10 had allowed me control over upgrades/updates and had better privacy. After the tricks that Microsoft pulled, trying to force me to upgrade to Windows 10, I do not trust Windows 10 and you cannot feel that about an OS and install it.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by NTripleOne on Friday February 03, 2017 @06:44AM (#13559133)
Disable the windows update service and now you have manual control over updates (enable when you want to update).

There's also a billion and one "one click privacy fix" tools like TRONscript, etc.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by scholia on Friday February 03, 2017 @02:03PM (#13562270)
Your loss. I trust Windows 10 a lot more than Android, and I use that as well ;-)

The future is more-or-less-continuous updates based on telemetry. That's how Google and Facebook work as well. Microsoft will never go back to a 3-year upgrade cycle, and no business should want to do that either.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Nition on Thursday February 02, 2017 @07:05PM (#13556333)
I'd understand that more if it was all esoteric power-user type stuff that was missing in the new system. But stuff like mouse pointer speed?

Apparently Misrosoft has said that they do want to drop the old-style control panel eventually. I realise it's a huge job, but it feels very like a half-finished feature right now.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by grogenaut on Friday February 03, 2017 @12:17AM (#13557860)
Mouse speed IS power user stuff. Poll the general populace, what percent actually know about mouse pointer speed or that you can adjust it.

back in 2002 I went around bumping everyone's screen resolution from vga in college because it hurt my sole. at least 20% of people got pissed at me for "fucking up their settings". Almost all eventually came back and said "I can't read my whole doc, show me that thing again."

Point being they didn't even know it was broke or that they could change it. Thus you have iOS where apple's defaults are the whole OS and literally millions upon millions of people are completely happy with it.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Nition on Friday February 03, 2017 @03:07AM (#13558476)
You'd also have to make the case that the things that did make the cut to get into the new-style interface are less Power User-y than pointer speed though. Admittedly they're usually simple stuff, but is e.g. switching the mouse wheel option between "several lines" and "whole screen" really less of a power option than pointer speed?
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Retra on Friday February 03, 2017 @12:59AM (#13558045)
Everything you are saying is only true because Microsoft has done a poor job making easy to follow settings menus.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by lloeki on Friday February 03, 2017 @01:25AM (#13558144)
Everything he says is true because most people don't even fscking care the very least, even if the option were right in their face. Think BOFH dummy mode. People just want a zero-knob appliance for shit to get done. We are the damn exception to the rule.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by herbst on Friday February 03, 2017 @02:11AM (#13558295)
My mum learned that if she did not like something she can just press the super button and start typing whatever the annoyance is related to. I am sometimes surprised by the specific settings she goes for. Based on this i think users at least check the options when they are easily available. (Linux obviously)
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by scholia on Friday February 03, 2017 @02:15PM (#13562385)
That works in Windows 10 too.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by herbst on Saturday February 04, 2017 @01:19AM (#13565903)
"works" Windows configurations are highly confusing if you dont know what you are doing. Windows 10 might got better but they are way to stripped down as well.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by NTripleOne on Friday February 03, 2017 @06:47AM (#13559141)
Not to mention that it's not preferable to be adjusting mouse speed in windows anyway, 6/11 on the slider is basically the only setting that should be used, as every other option is no longer true 1:1 input.

(disabling "enhanced pointer precision" is preferable, but optional)

If your cursor is too fast you need a mouse with a lower DPI, and vice versa.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by nikanj on Thursday February 02, 2017 @09:53PM (#13557273)
In my Mouse panel, there's an additional tab created by the Trackpad drivers.

I can only guess how many proprietary extensions have been built to rely on the old Control Panel interfaces, and how few of them will ever be updated to Windows 10.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by thirdsun on Friday February 03, 2017 @01:12AM (#13558094)
To me that sounds like a good thing - I don't like it when drivers need to "inject" themselves into OS level settings.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by computerex on Thursday February 02, 2017 @10:19PM (#13557392)
Totally agree, it's very half-baked atm.