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Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by WheelsAtLarge on Saturday January 28, 2017 @09:43PM (#13511531)
Yes, finally people are starting to see drugs addicts as the valuable people they are and not as disposable felons. Addiction is a sickness that affects people not a failure of morals that needs a jail sentence.
Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by kibwen on Saturday January 28, 2017 @10:44PM (#13511890)
I know a high-functioning heroin addict who's a programmer by day. It's surprising to discover seemingly-normal people who have this monkey on their backs, given the popular perception of addicts.
Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by girvo on Sunday January 29, 2017 @12:20AM (#13512315)
That's me, or was anyway. Addict for 6 years, clean for 4 (well, on Suboxone)
Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by agumonkey on Sunday January 29, 2017 @01:35AM (#13512627)
How is it planned ? you try to decrease heroin then switch for another molecule ?

Do you think it's possible to go off this drug without substitutes.. say by forcing small sever periods etc etc ?

Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by nikcub on Sunday January 29, 2017 @06:09AM (#13513623)
Good for you

Suboxone is a miracle drug, more people need access to it.

Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by agumonkey on Sunday January 29, 2017 @01:33AM (#13512620)
I recently heard that George Michael's song Monkey was about addiction too..
Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by fdsaaf on Saturday January 28, 2017 @11:27PM (#13512119)
Samuel Taylor Coleridge had an opium addiction too. We should legalize drugs and help people who get addicted, not just ban substances that some people use responsibly.
Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by tigershark on Sunday January 29, 2017 @02:30AM (#13512831)
Yeah right. Because there is such thing like heroin responsible use.
Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by daeken on Sunday January 29, 2017 @03:01AM (#13512920)
Yes, there is. Is it the norm? Not at all, but that doesn't change the fact that some people do use heroin in moderation and without it drastically impacting their lives.

This polarized look at heroin use further stigmatizes drug users and leads to those with problems (and casual users who are having trouble not letting it get out of hand) not getting the help they deserve.

Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by solipsism on Sunday January 29, 2017 @04:01AM (#13513181)
Playing russian roulette isn't responsible just because you don't get shot. There are many people who use it in moderation... until they don't. Until they make one too many "bit more won't hurt" type decisions. Or they lose their job or a family member dies or they just have a shitty day.

"responsible heroin use" is probably the stupidest phrase I've heard all day, and I've been watching CNN.

EDIT: And, by the way, calling a spade a spade and naming heroin as the scourge it is is not stigmatizing users.

Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by timdev2 on Sunday January 29, 2017 @06:05AM (#13513608)
I thought most overdoses are the result of variable potency which is the result of the prohibition. Are you saying that accidental overdose would be a significant danger for addicts if they had a reliable supply of predictable potency? If that is what you're saying, do you have any evidence to support that?

I do agree that easy access to powerful opiates is a recipe for disaster for people at risk for suicide. And I concede that the danger of a negative feedback loop is obvious.

Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by baddox on Sunday January 29, 2017 @04:38AM (#13513337)
Does that mean you don't believe that responsible alcohol or tobacco use is possible? What about prescription pain medication?
Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by solipsism on Sunday January 29, 2017 @04:42AM (#13513356)
That's like asking, "Does that mean you don't believe in responsible knife juggling?" One is going to kill you a lot more surely and quickly than the other, but neither is a good idea.

To say heroin and alcohol/tobacco are equivalent would be stupid. To say an addition to heroin has no similarities to an addition to alcohol/tobacco would also be stupid.

Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by ryanlol on Sunday January 29, 2017 @06:26AM (#13513659)
>To say heroin and alcohol/tobacco are equivalent would be stupid.

Indeed, with proper dosage long term recreational use of heroin is far less likely to cause lasting damage than alcohol or tobacco.

Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by pixelbill on Sunday January 29, 2017 @08:14AM (#13513968)
Heroin is already safer than tobacco and alcohol.

Deaths per year from Heroin: 13,000

Deaths per year from Alcohol: 88,000

Deaths per year from Tobacco: 440,000

Hmm...

Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by paulryanrogers on Sunday January 29, 2017 @10:22AM (#13514459)
Do those stats account for different populations of users? I imagine there are far more people using alcohol and tobacco.
Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by ahoka on Sunday January 29, 2017 @07:38AM (#13513857)
I hope you are not serious...
Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by xorxornop on Sunday January 29, 2017 @07:48AM (#13513892)
No, because it's completely true. Repeated use of either tobacco or alcohol cause definite harm - cancer for tobacco (note, not nicotine...), brain and liver damage for alcohol. Heroin doesn't. Long term opioid use can cause hyperalgesia for _some_ people, but by no means all, and that's really if you take them every day at high doses (and heroin is actually not so bad for this - it differs from opioid to opioid), which is a little weird since morphine is quite the opposite - I suspect this is because the active metabolite responsible for the primary effects (heroin is really a prodrug) is morphine-6-glucoronide (M6G), not actually morphine as many would expect.
Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by forgetsusername on Sunday January 29, 2017 @08:10AM (#13513951)
>To say heroin and alcohol/tobacco are equivalent would be stupid.

It doesn't sound like you have any experience with drugs or medicine outside of what you learned in D.A.R.E.

Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by namlem on Sunday January 29, 2017 @10:12AM (#13514418)
With heroin you should still legalize possession, just not sale. Instead do what they do in Switzerland and the Netherlands: Have safe injection sites where the government gives you free heroin. Those who are diagnosed with addiction can come once a day and get a dose of heroin under medical supervision. The clinics often help find jobs for the unemployed as well, further helping them with their addiction. Typically once someone gets their life back together they'll be able to quit.
Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by 55555 on Sunday January 29, 2017 @06:56AM (#13513733)
There are many people who use heroin in small quantities or very infrequently. The stigma is one factor keeping you from knowing about this.
Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by jmspring on Saturday January 28, 2017 @11:41PM (#13512171)
Living in a community with heroin addicts that see every opportunity to rob someone for a fix, sorry addicts are criminals first. There is no excuse for their behavior.
Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by itsweller on Sunday January 29, 2017 @12:36AM (#13512385)
Yes, every heroin addict robs people to feed their heinous, immoral addiction.

I’d love to hear your thoughts on crime in poverty stricken areas or those of one predominant race or another, I’m sure they’re just as well reasoned, tolerant, and coherent.

Behavior like yours is why many turn to other avenues of coping rather than feeling comfortable seeking help. Don’t think for a second I’m condoning what you perceive, but your definition of “addict” is likely one or two standard deviations away from reality, and to imply that all “addicts” are criminals or all criminals you see are addicted to heroin is more than a little amusing.

Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by meowface on Sunday January 29, 2017 @02:20AM (#13512785)
There's no excuse for robbing people for any reason, but the addicts who do that are broke and are faced with a choice of re-feeding their addiction (via theft or robbery) or immense suffering.

You do not see this issue in wealthy heroin addicts, I promise.

Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by ajkjk on Sunday January 29, 2017 @01:11AM (#13512532)
Well, since that attitude doesn't get useful results, maybe try the humanizing one that might?
Re:Seattle Is Opening First in U.S. “Safe Injection Facility... by pixelbill on Sunday January 29, 2017 @08:17AM (#13513978)
No one demonizes you for being addicted to potato chips and reality TV, so maybe try some empathy.