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Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by RUG3Y on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @07:46PM (#13423023)
As a chronically depressed person, I guess I'm in trouble.
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by phire on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @12:26AM (#13424230)
I'm chronically depressed, suffer from anxiety and stress, have high cholesterol (due to genetics) and I'm obese. Not to mention I have a family history of heart disease, on both sides.

I think that's more or less every single risk factor for heart disease. My current goal is to beat the odds and somehow die of something I'm not statically predisposed to, like cancer.

Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by crypto5 on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @01:06AM (#13424416)
You still have sense of humor, which means life can bring good surprises. Please take care!
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by Fnoord on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @04:22AM (#13425096)
How you perceive a (depressed) person doesn't accurately describe how they perceive themselves. Humor can be part of the façade, the mask.
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by phire on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @04:48PM (#13430598)
True.

A depressed person can easily put on a mask for several hours and appear completely normal to everyone they interact with. Some depressed people even manage to hold a façade up for months or years of working full time, though I imagine the stress in doing so is ove

But it doesn't really matter how other people perceive you. If you aren't happy with your self-perception, then you are going to have issues.

Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by manmal on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @04:47AM (#13425211)
I don't mean to be that well-intentioned person to give unsolicited advice. But have you tried meditation (e.g. guided with a CD)? It reduces anxiety a lot, and depression is often linked to, or at least coexists, with anxiety. My life gets so much better once I meditate regularly.
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by mtw on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @09:17AM (#13426407)
Not sure if it helps, but this page lists a summary of protective factors that can help you (nutrition, exercise, stress management) : http://outcomereference.com/outcomes/27-Cardiovascular-Disea...
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by yulaow on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @08:40PM (#13423313)
For me cognitive behavioral therapy with a very good psychotherapist was fundamental. I will just say what my therapist told me at the end of the first meeting "If you want it to work it will work, but if your problems were created in years of mental distress they won't go away any faster, it will be a long way. Be prepared."

Almost 3yr later I still have some very random depressive toughs in my head and sometime two or three very bad hours, but now I can recognize them for what they are and that part of my mind lost any real control on my daily life. I can focus freely on my work, I can finally sleep like a normal person and my biorhythm is finally decent after years of total randomness caused by almost self-imposed insomnia.

Consider investing in it, it was probably the best decision of my whole life.

Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by xarthna1 on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @09:43PM (#13423563)
Thanks for saying this. It sounds very similar to my situation. I have recently picked up the book "Feeling Good" by David Burns, MD and it has been helping. After years of therapy, I felt like I should be "fixed". Though things are better, that is not the case. It is constant and serious work with a focus on getting better. I do realize a big part of my problem is lifestyle. As you were saying, my self imposed insomnia, plus the stress and pressure I put on myself day to day. Glad to hear that you are doing better, and your post has encouraged me to seek out a therapist once more.
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by mistermann on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @12:15AM (#13424169)
> For me cognitive behavioral therapy with a very good psychotherapist was fundamental.

How does one go about finding a good therapist? At $100+ per hour, I could see it costing potentially thousands to find someone that's just good, let alone very good.

In the past the wife and I tried going to a few different marriage counselors, it was not very encouraging.

Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by jschwartzi on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @09:35AM (#13426534)
In my state, marriage counselors have weaker licensure requirements than therapists, down to being licensable with a theology degree and a short practicum. Find out what licenses exist where you live and avoid anyone who hasn't completed the stricter license. Where I live the license to look for is Licensed Mental Health Counselor.
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by rgoddard on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @08:22AM (#13426110)
One possible place to check is your local university. I know the one by me has a good clinical psych program and they run a clinic that is open to the public. They charge on a sliding scale based on your income so it may be more affordable.
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by RUG3Y on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @10:16AM (#13426856)
I can't afford it, and I live in a rural place that doesn't have a lot of the fancier kinds of doctors.
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by agumonkey on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @10:04PM (#13423647)
Long walks (especially with a bit of height) releases endorphins I believe.

Also forces a steady heart rhythm probably cancelling the disrupting effects of depression.

If I could walk I would go back to it immediately. That said depression also fucks up your will to do anything so you need to lose your "self" and bootstrap moving like a robot. Not very efficient method, but the only I know.

Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by ddorian43 on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:18AM (#13425316)
Wait, you can't walk ?
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by agumonkey on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @10:13AM (#13426832)
Figure of speech, I can't take long walks, swelling occurs for various reasons. I used to move a lot run, job, etc, I know well the effects of physical activity and right now I just cannot.
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by hive_mind on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @08:19PM (#13423202)
Exercise, sleep, meditation, diet, hobbies.
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by hackuser on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @01:12AM (#13424446)
You may mean to be helpful, but think about what that can sound like like to the other person (I can't speak for the GP):

* You are so dumb that the problem ruining your life is one I can solve in five words.

* It's as easy as five words; obviously you are not trying.

It can sound worse to someone suffering from a (unfairly, ignorantly) stigmatized illness such as depression.

Also, consider that probably the other person likely has been dealing with this problem for awhile. The simplistic solution that comes to mind in 30 seconds probably is one they also considered in the first 30 seconds, and probably they are well beyond it at this point.

Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by TheOneTrueKyle on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @08:24PM (#13423226)
If only it was that easy
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by dTal on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @10:44PM (#13423792)
No one said it was easy. But, sometimes - if you're not too depressed - if you manage enough of these enough of the time (possibly with the help of a good friend nagging you) you can get enough of a feedback loop going to self-sustain and maintain a healthy living pattern long enough to sink in.
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by TheOneTrueKyle on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @12:37PM (#13428317)
Sometimes sure. I agree, these healthy habits are prerequisites when you find yourself more depressed than usual.

But sometimes these healthy habits aren't going to be enough.

Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by chrisper on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @11:23PM (#13423939)
Not all depression is severe depression. Same with anxiety. In many cases people can manage it by themselves (e.g. without medication or extensive counseling).
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by chckn on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @10:28AM (#13426973)
I would like to add "don't drink any alcohol" to the list. I know that even a teatotaler can have a major depression but for me the decision to stop drinking any alcohol was THE key to make my depression much better.

It took me years to realize but drinking alcohol makes me sad and anxious for a a couple of days. The more I drink the worse the mood on the next day.

Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by bottled_poe on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @07:37AM (#13425896)
And how does that help with balancing real world problems like financial security, social expectation and self-actualisation? Your suggestions seem like distractions from reality, so perhaps you would also include hard drugs in your list?
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by surrey-fringe on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @12:24AM (#13424214)
And unsolicited advice.
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by wslh on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @08:32PM (#13423271)
Nootropics that also reduce anxiety?
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by mistermann on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @12:20AM (#13424191)
I am experimenting with THC, CBD, and Lecithin, so far.

I started taking Lecithin about a week ago. On Saturday I took 40mg CBD. On Sunday (taking Lecithin as usual, but no CBD) I felt absolutely fantastic. In general, I have felt better for the last week. I'm also going to the gym about 4 times per week.

Completely not conclusive yet but I am continuing to investigate.

EDIT: Forgot Magnesium, for me this seems useful for anxiety.

Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by TheOneTrueKyle on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @08:01PM (#13432043)
In what form are you taking CBD. Oils? I am attempting to remove THC completely and focus more on CBD so I am curious.
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by emmelaich on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @05:58AM (#13425485)
What is CBD?
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by throwanem on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @06:28AM (#13425613)
Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by CryoLogic on Wednesday January 18, 2017 @12:13AM (#13424159)
I don't know about nootropics, but often anxiety can be a factor of:

- low testosterone - high estrogen - high cortisol - low DHEA

At least as far as the physical effects go (paranoia, sweating, etc.)

Might be worth getting testosterone and sensitive e2 scanned. In particular if one is also obese (testosterone aromatises to estrogen in fat cells)

Re:Depression as hard on the heart as obesity and cholesterol by atomical on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @10:32PM (#13423747)
Nootropics are a scam. Most of the drugs come from China and don't have the proper QA shipment over shipment.