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Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by paulddraper on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @08:57PM (#13379276)
I have been using Linux for a long time, and it seems like every time I try to watch a DVD, it's a fresh round of hacking for 30 minutes before I can get it to work.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by jlgaddis on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @09:38PM (#13379434)
I just recently built a new workstation, including a Blu-Ray/DVD/CD burner. After seeing the recent announcement here about Handbrake, I grabbed the closest DVD, fired up VLC, watched the first few minutes of it, and shortly afterwards I had ripped and encoded one of the episodes to a file I can watch on my Roku.

The only hacking I did was to install libdvd-pkg or something like that.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by swiley on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @11:26PM (#13379826)
Last time I checked, some early blueray DVDs will work on Linux but newer ones will brick your blueray reader.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by khedoros1 on Thursday January 12, 2017 @12:41AM (#13380053)
The AACS key file is updated every now and then. I get it from here: http://www.labdv.com/aacs/

I've run into some recent disks that I can't play, but never one that actually damaged my blu-ray drive.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by Hydraulix989 on Thursday January 12, 2017 @01:36AM (#13380245)
"but newer ones will brick your blueray reader"

Source? I don't even see how this could be possible.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by digi_owl on Thursday January 12, 2017 @01:40AM (#13380261)
Say hello to DRM. Best i recall they introduced a updated DRM system for BR some years after launch, and to play those discs one need to either firmware update or replace the player.

Never mind that the BR spec has all kinds of weirdness, including things like bundled Java applets(?!).

All in all, its problems like these that keeps us torrenting.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by jlgaddis on Thursday January 12, 2017 @12:06AM (#13379944)
Wow, that's crazy.

I haven't really used the drive other than what I mentioned. I just grabbed the nearest DVD (disc 2 of 3 of season 7 of "The Big Bang Theory"), popped it in, and it just worked.

That was just a quick "test" to see how difficult it was nowadays to rip/encode DVDs (I haven't done that for probably eight years or so and it was a major PITA back then). I was planning on doing the same to most of our "media collection" so I'm hoping it continues to go well.

Thanks for the heads up. I'll be looking more into this.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by ekianjo on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @09:27PM (#13379375)
You just need to install one package at the most for dvd decryption, or use VLC... hardly a problem these days...
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by paulddraper on Thursday January 12, 2017 @01:59PM (#13385047)
"Hardly a problem"

Several hundred AskUbuntu posts disagree with you. (And that's for Ubuntu...one of the friendly distros.)

http://askubuntu.com/search?q=play+dvd

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by CaptSpify on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @09:27PM (#13379378)
I use linux as well, but wifi drivers are always an issue, as well as sound.

Sure, things are much better, but I think most criticisms of linux not being "out of the box" ready are valid.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by harry8 on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @09:44PM (#13379457)
Not as a comparison to apple. You want osx you buy the hardware they specify. Buy a laptop known to work out of the box with linux and it works out of the box with linux. Try it on any random laptop, ymmv. Not many of them work as badly as non-apple blessed machines with osx. It's pretty rare I can't get something useful out of any old laptop with a linux install. Is hackintosh still even a thing?
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by NegativeLatency on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @10:50PM (#13379710)
I have a hackintosh as my main computer. It works ok. Graphics drivers are sometimes a pain/ buggy. iMessages doesn't work unless you want to do a lot of work.

However it is faster/more expandable than most macs available today.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by seanp2k2 on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @10:05PM (#13379540)
Hackintosh is still very much a thing. I had a great 10.5 desktop with Kalyway years ago. I recently tried to get Yosemite or something working with a Core-i5 Sandy Bridge PC and it did not go well due to graphics drivers.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by OJFord on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @10:52PM (#13379713)
> wifi drivers are always an issue

I keep hearing this, but I've never had an issue (Arch, Macbook Air 2013).

On the contrary, I have endless problems in macOS with WiFi where some networks won't work if I don't specify a DNS (I use Google's, but I assume that doesn't make a difference) - and others won't work if I do! (Meanwhile, other devices are fine doing the opposite.)

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by danieldk on Thursday January 12, 2017 @01:49AM (#13380291)
I have a TP-Link Archer USB 802.11ac Wifi USB stick. It definitely does not work out of the box. You have to get and compile some driver from GitHub using dkms. After some stable Ubuntu updates Wifi just stopped working.

Never had a problem with macOS Wifi since 10.5.x.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by hedora on Thursday January 12, 2017 @02:09AM (#13380389)
You need to check the chipset before you buy. Intel and Atheros have a good reputation for Linux support. Broadcom does not. I heard broadcom is leaving the wifi market soon. If so, this should get better in short order.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by danieldk on Thursday January 12, 2017 @03:08AM (#13380615)
The thesis was that Wifi is simply not a problem anymore on Linux, which is false. Wifi is not a problem if you pick the right chipset. However, this has always been true. I was using Wifi without a problem more than a decade ago, when Intersil Prism (Orinico) was very well supported on Linux and BSD.

But it's currently not the case that you can take an arbitrary Windows or Apple machine, install Linux and have a working Wifi. It's very much hit and miss.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by AstralStorm on Thursday January 12, 2017 @03:30AM (#13380740)
The remaining holdout with problems is Broadcom. All other chips (Realtek, Ralink, Atheros, Intel to name a few of the more popular) generally work.

The only trouble you may get is with cutting edge hardware because manufacturers are slow.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by danieldk on Thursday January 12, 2017 @03:32AM (#13380746)
FYI: the TP-Link Archer that I mentioned uses a Realtek chipset. It does not work out of the box. You have to get an untrusted driver from GitHub, compile it with DKMS. Breaks with stable Ubuntu updates. The driver also seems to be quite flakey, regularly losing connection to the AP.

How do you expect a normal user to this?

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by hedora on Thursday January 12, 2017 @10:19AM (#13382832)
I really don't understand why there isn't a niche company that does nothing but make high quality peripherals that work in Linux. I just bought an atheros wifi card off amazon marked ENGINEERING SAMPLES ONLY, because no one sells the chipset I want standalone.

Intel chipsets are OEM only. Cards are readily available on Amazon, but are all gray-market apparently.

In short, I don't expect normal users to do this, but I'd expect them to be willing to pay triple the normal markup on $20-$50 componens if they "just worked" in Linux.

To be clear, I'm talking about having an ODM run off copies of Intel/Atheros reference boards. The engineering effort is as low as it gets for hardware manufacturing.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by khedoros1 on Thursday January 12, 2017 @12:53AM (#13380093)
The only wifi device I've had trouble with in recent memory is an Edimax EW-7811Un USB dongle. It "works", but the best transfer rates I've ever gotten out of it were in the hundreds of kilobytes/s, paired with up to 5 minutes of uninterrupted connectivity.

There are problem devices out there, but more and more they're the exception, rather than the rule.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by Fnoord on Thursday January 12, 2017 @09:58AM (#13382663)
Which macOS version is that?
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by OJFord on Thursday January 12, 2017 @12:05PM (#13383946)
I stay up to date, it's 10.12.2 - I've had the issue for at least a couple of major (marketing) versions.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by voidlogic on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @09:52PM (#13379489)
>but wifi drivers are always an issue

This is not true if you have Intel wifi hardware, which is a lot (a majority?) of laptops.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by herbst on Thursday January 12, 2017 @01:11AM (#13380153)
Its not true these days anyway as you can just use the windows drivers if everything else fails. Which works perfectly except the initial 10 minute setup.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by pantalaimon on Thursday January 12, 2017 @05:34AM (#13381236)
> Its not true these days anyway as you can just use the windows drivers if everything else fails.

Is ndiswrapper still being developed?

It only supports Windows XP drivers and crashed the kernel when I tried to get my TL-WN8200ND (RTL8192CU) working with it on 64 bit Ubuntu 16.04

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by herbst on Friday January 13, 2017 @12:38AM (#13388676)
I am pretty sure i got a win7 driver working without any further issues. I could be wrong tho
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by etimberg on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @09:59PM (#13379522)
Just set up linux on a machine recently with an Intel network chipset. Mint had no driver that supported it so I ended up having to build from source. I can't imagine trying to understand that process if one is not a developer
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by stormbrew on Thursday January 12, 2017 @12:19AM (#13379985)
This is... very strange. What Intel chipset was it that didn't have a driver built into the kernel? That's usually your safest bet.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by etimberg on Thursday January 12, 2017 @09:14AM (#13382293)
I think the issue was that I was installing from a Mint 17 bootable USB but I needed the driver to be able to upgrade to 18.

The ethernet controller is an Intel I219-LM (rev 31). The driver source that worked was https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/15817/Intel-Networ...

What I had hoped would happen during install was that the kernel would fall back to some simple driver, kinda like the simple VGA drivers, and then find the correct driver and install that.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by stormbrew on Thursday January 12, 2017 @12:51PM (#13384412)
Sadly there's no basic compatibility layer for NICs, except in so far as many small manufacturers emulate some specific well known NIC. Intel doesn't really do that, though. But they do tend to update the drivers in linux pretty quickly themselves, which is what makes them attractive for linux use.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by herbst on Thursday January 12, 2017 @01:12AM (#13380157)
FYI mint sucks with these things. Badly. Their driver support seems more random than anything. That said i am pretty sure i remember some kind of bloat kernel in their repos which ships with all the relevant stuff.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by Kliment on Thursday January 12, 2017 @04:00AM (#13380864)
There's an official ubuntu mate flavor now which is everything I enjoyed about mint with none of the things I disliked about it, so I'd recommend trying that.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by swah on Thursday January 12, 2017 @05:37AM (#13381255)
Installed Ubuntu 16.04 yesterday and could not get graphics acceleration to work on Android's emulator. This should be the ideal environment for working with Android...

I cannot understand people that think Ubuntu is on par with OSX and Windows for workstation use.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by aidenn0 on Thursday January 12, 2017 @02:01AM (#13380359)
I've literally never had a sound card that didn't work on Linux since alsa stabilized in the 2.4 days.

WiFi drivers are much less likely to work out-of-the-box; usually you need a firmware file which may require futzing with the windows driver installation package.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by peteretep on Thursday January 12, 2017 @02:44AM (#13380536)
Another feature I'm yet to have any confidence in is that I can just close a Linux laptop, and have it do a pretty much perfect suspend that will come back to life in 2-3 seconds even if it's been closed for days.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by josteink on Thursday January 12, 2017 @07:02AM (#13381585)
As a counter example, I've yet had this to be a problem on any laptop I've owned.

It works 100% reliably 100% of the time.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by jeena on Thursday January 12, 2017 @07:57AM (#13381816)
Same here, both on ThinkPad and on my Tuxedo laptop with Ubuntu, Debian and Arch.

I had issues with OS X sometimes that I put the MacBook into a bag and it would get hotter and hotter because it didn't sleep and the air couldn't move, untill it panicked and shut itself down to not start burning.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by pareidolia on Thursday January 12, 2017 @08:07AM (#13381879)
I started owning laptops in 2007. There's a real difference between ACPI DSDTs compiled with the Microsoft compiler versus the Intel compiler (surprise surprise)

Acer/Wistron laptop with MSFT DSDT would reset spontaneously instead of waking up from sleep.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by dTal on Thursday January 12, 2017 @08:26AM (#13381975)
I have no complaints about suspend itself, but I do find lidswitch detection to be faintly unreliable on various laptops. I often find my laptop fully powered up and hot in my backpack. I suspect poor debounce.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by 208Gi on Thursday January 12, 2017 @12:51AM (#13380086)
I cannot remember having any trouble playing DVDs on a Linux based system within the last decade. Through this time, I've used: Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, Slackware, Arch and, Suse. If your distro doesn't come with DVD playing capabilities out of the box, there are plenty of instructions regarding this on the the web.

I have a hard time seeing how you could possibly be being honest about this.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by danieldk on Thursday January 12, 2017 @01:46AM (#13380280)
I have a hard time seeing how you could possibly be being honest about this.

Isn't distributing libdvdcss illegal in the US and therefore most distributions don't include it? So, most distributions don't come with full DVD playing capabilities out of the box.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by dTal on Thursday January 12, 2017 @08:19AM (#13381949)
This. This is the reason for parent's complaint - it's legal, not technical. I have exactly the same experience of "30 mins hacking to make a new system play DVDs" - sure, it's a single package install usually, but which package? libdvdread? libdvdcss? Does the package include the library, or does it contain a script that downloads the library because of the legal issue? I know the answers to these questions on Debian because I use it so much (and it has a well updated wiki), but plonk me in front of a distro I've not used before, or with poor documentation for their particular idiosyncratic way of end-running the law, and suddenly it's a minefield.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by 208Gi on Thursday January 12, 2017 @01:54PM (#13385009)
I should have been clearer, I guess. Yes, there's some legal issue but - a google search is not illegal. The poster was saying he/she has to go through some lengthy process every time he/she wants to watch a DVD? That's the dishonesty I'm talking about. Getting dvd playback working in a distro is a do it once and forget about it until EOL type thing.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by NoGravitas on Thursday January 12, 2017 @08:30AM (#13382011)
True for Fedora, probably Debian, probably not Ubuntu.

For Fedora, it's a matter of adding the RPMFusion-nonfree repository, and installing a couple of packages.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by Mikeb85 on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @09:10PM (#13379319)
How? VLC + every distro has drivers...
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by gribbly on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @09:16PM (#13379337)
What distro are you on ?

As I recall, installing libdvdcss, libdvdnav, libdvdread from the official repos solved that problem and allowed me to painlessly watch dvd's through players like VLC and MPlayer.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by khedoros1 on Thursday January 12, 2017 @12:44AM (#13380063)
I usually use VLC without a problem. Some distros won't include something like libdvdcss, and you have to download, compile, and install it.

It's annoying, but better than when DVD support first appeared, and you'd end up compiling something like 5 libraries and a custom version of Xine.

Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by devoply on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @09:26PM (#13379370)
You still watching DVDs grandpa? I wanna watch Netflix on the stupid thing. I use my android tablet for that instead.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by ekianjo on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @09:27PM (#13379380)
Netflix works without issue on Chrome in Linux.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by greenknight on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @09:44PM (#13379459)
And firefox if you switch your useragent -- https://linuxconfig.org/play-netflix-on-linux-with-firefox
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by bigger_cheese on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @11:29PM (#13379840)
Wow thank you for that link. I've had two browsers installed with chrome being used purely for Netflix. Now I can finally give the damn thing the boot.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by ekianjo on Wednesday January 11, 2017 @10:36PM (#13379661)
Yes, it also works. And you need to enable DRM support in Firefox as well.
Re:Why I switched from OS X to Linux by khedoros1 on Thursday January 12, 2017 @01:06AM (#13380135)
I slowed down for a while when I first got Netflix. Then I sped up again when some of the shows I was watching disappeared when I was mid-season. Netflix is great, but when I want to actually be sure that I'll be able to watch something, I buy it.