Re:Show HN: GameDate – Dating app linked with local events
by faitswulff on Sunday December 11, 2016 @02:37AM
(#13150040)
While I was hoping it had something to do with a videogame, it turns out that it was a play off the phrase "gameday." It's an interesting idea, and I think people will have a lot more to work off of if they have a shared experience, the problem is getting them there in the first place.
Personally, I have zero interest in sports and only a tiny fraction of the women I know are interested in sports. As a commenter elsewhere put it, "why would women use this app?" And I mean that in more than the sense that women aren't interested in sports. I think this has the same problems as every other dating app in that the primary burden of filtering for women happens before an in-person meetup. That's the problem that many dating apps try to solve. I think limiting it to the context of events and specifically sports doesn't help with this problem.
I can see in the final screenshot on your iTunes page that the user is given an option to "Buy Tickets." If free tickets is the incentive for one or the other party to attend, I think it will be a tough sell. For women, accepting a drink at a bar from a man is awkward because they have to deal with the man expecting something in return. Imagine if they had to sit next to that man for hours, especially if it turns out that they don't like him. This could be downright dangerous for the woman.
I think there are opportunities where event-based dating could work, for example if there was some way to obscure identities for safety's sake. I think there is opportunity for a first-date-first model, instead of all the messaging back and forth first, but there have to be some safety nets.
Re:Show HN: GameDate – Dating app linked with local events
by Retra on Sunday December 11, 2016 @09:28AM
(#13151187)
The problem is what that man does when you leave the public space, and he thinks you spent all that time with him in public because you want to get laid. Such a person need not even do anything malicious, just being confused or unsure of the situation and suitably bad at communicating is enough to cause behavior that is threatening.
Re:Show HN: GameDate – Dating app linked with local events
by literallycancer on Sunday December 11, 2016 @09:50AM
(#13151271)
Presumably you are using the app because you want to get laid, so what's the issue here? That people are too awkward to say "Turns out I don't really like you after all."?
If it is dangerous to reject someone, then there is something wrong with that person, not the app.
Re:Show HN: GameDate – Dating app linked with local events
by Retra on Sunday December 11, 2016 @10:30AM
(#13151432)
I don't understand your questions. There's nothing "wrong" with the app; it's just a dating app. There's something wrong with dating, which means they're pushing a risky product from day 1.
And this looks pretty much exactly like every other failed dating app, as every other dating app does.
EDIT: I really have no relevant opinion on the app. My concern here is the assumption of "if you're in public, you're mostly safe." It's not an untrue statement, but it is an incomplete picture. It's like saying "this chain is strong because 95% of these links are hardened steel."
Dating has risks because nobody can guarantee safety through the whole chain of events. It doesn't matter if it's safe in public, because what people overwhelmingly want out of dates is the eventuality of not being in public, and coordinating when and where that should happen, if at all, is difficult, and not a problem any app solves. (Regardless of whether they can or should solve it.)
Re:Show HN: GameDate – Dating app linked with local events
by faitswulff on Sunday December 11, 2016 @08:55AM
(#13151067)
I expected some pushback on that. I probably could have made the same arguments in the past. However, if you ask women, you'll find that thinking about these things is a common thread[0] - likely from the women in your life as well. At the very least, women in my life worry about accepting drinks from men, meeting them for the first time, and saying "no" to men in general. As they say, the "crazy ex-girlfriend" will key your car, but the crazy ex-boyfriend will murder you.
The reason it matters in this particular context is because, in general, women do not think men are safe and dating apps must address this. To specifically counter your arguments about being in a public place with someone, that still opens the doors to: personally invasive touches when no one is looking, invasion of privacy (at this point some contact has occurred), and a physical knowledge of where you are, not to mention being in public hasn't necessarily helped: The murder of Kitty Genovese[1] comes to mind, as does most women having experienced being followed on the streets by men[2] a situation which isn't necessarily helped by public protectors[3] and if you must hear some stories themselves, here are some stories from reddit[4].
So, to answer your question, it is "okay" to operate under such an assumption because, in general, women feel unsafe around men, especially in the context of a dating app. Now, you could make the argument that women are illogical, or you could acknowledge that ~50% of the population might have some reason to feel that way. I personally prefer the latter, but if my opinion doesn't make a difference to you, I would recommend inquiring of women yourself, in some form or another.
Re:Show HN: GameDate – Dating app linked with local events
by solatic on Sunday December 11, 2016 @01:48AM
(#13149928)
On Android, mobile Chrome 54 on a weak LTE connection - your site flipped through six high-quality but background-and-functionally-useless stock photos while the rest of the site was trying to load. So all I'm seeing is a gigantic logo and a gigantic button to download from Apple's App Store, which isn't relevant to me as an Android user. The page is still loading, so I don't see any description of your product or why I should use it. This isn't a good way to drive engagement with first-time visitors.
Re:Show HN: GameDate – Dating app linked with local events
by gizmo686 on Sunday December 11, 2016 @01:54AM
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You didn't miss anything; That is all the site is. Description from the app store:
"GameDate brings like-minded individuals together by creating a first date experience like no other. Our patented technology creates a location based dating application that allows users to search events within a certain mile radius of their location, invite potential dates, interact with the dates to narrow their choice down to one person and through our partnership with ticket exchange network "SeatGeek" purchase tickets to the event. GameDate provides the perfect platform to make sure that everyone's next event is shared with someone special."
Re:Show HN: GameDate – Dating app linked with local events
by jayajay on Sunday December 11, 2016 @04:10AM
(#13150272)
Why would anyone extroverted enough to use this app decide to use it instead of inviting their existing friends to the event?
I personally don't know anyone who would use this app. Then again, I have very, very few people I would call friends. But, you haven't convinced me, mate.
Re:Show HN: GameDate – Dating app linked with local events
by peternilson on Sunday December 11, 2016 @03:37AM
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Just wanted to add some feedback on the design of your site. The typography needs some work. The serif typeface you have used in your tagline and the sans-serif typeface used in your logo don't compliment it each other. If you just want to keep things simple try keep the two in the same family and then play with contrast between the two using weight and size. I understand you've used a typeface for your logo that you may not be able to use for the tagline. In that case look to use something sans-serif and geometric/square to compliment the logo. That leads me to the lack of content explaining what exactly I am looking at. You need to provide more information on the page. The design should be a roadmap of my attention; catch my attention at the logo and the tagline, let that then flow to a brief description and then finally the app-store button. My eyes should move through the page in that order. Currently the size of the app store link and the size and position of the seat geek logo are too large/distracting and compete for my attention.
Re:Show HN: GameDate – Dating app linked with local events
by lmcnish14 on Sunday December 11, 2016 @03:14AM
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I could see this being fun if I was interested in going to a specific event in my area but didn't have anyone to go with and was single. Of course, there is the risk/downside of what happens if it didn't go well but that's a risk for any first date.
Re:Show HN: GameDate – Dating app linked with local events
by flgr on Sunday December 11, 2016 @07:38AM
(#13150818)
The UX of https://www.degiro.eu/ isn't the best, but they have very low fees. I've been investing there (mostly ETFs and some US Stock) for a while and am very happy.
Re:Show HN: GameDate – Dating app linked with local events
by FanaHOVA on Sunday December 11, 2016 @06:42AM
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Are you affiliated with SeatGeek? You make it sound like it, but from knowing the company and the kind of products they deliver it doesn't seem likely. That landing page is pretty poorly designed.
Personally, I have zero interest in sports and only a tiny fraction of the women I know are interested in sports. As a commenter elsewhere put it, "why would women use this app?" And I mean that in more than the sense that women aren't interested in sports. I think this has the same problems as every other dating app in that the primary burden of filtering for women happens before an in-person meetup. That's the problem that many dating apps try to solve. I think limiting it to the context of events and specifically sports doesn't help with this problem.
I can see in the final screenshot on your iTunes page that the user is given an option to "Buy Tickets." If free tickets is the incentive for one or the other party to attend, I think it will be a tough sell. For women, accepting a drink at a bar from a man is awkward because they have to deal with the man expecting something in return. Imagine if they had to sit next to that man for hours, especially if it turns out that they don't like him. This could be downright dangerous for the woman.
I think there are opportunities where event-based dating could work, for example if there was some way to obscure identities for safety's sake. I think there is opportunity for a first-date-first model, instead of all the messaging back and forth first, but there have to be some safety nets.
So you're talking about "some men"? Who cares then. "Some men" do lots of things, most men do not.
If it is dangerous to reject someone, then there is something wrong with that person, not the app.
And this looks pretty much exactly like every other failed dating app, as every other dating app does.
EDIT: I really have no relevant opinion on the app. My concern here is the assumption of "if you're in public, you're mostly safe." It's not an untrue statement, but it is an incomplete picture. It's like saying "this chain is strong because 95% of these links are hardened steel."
Dating has risks because nobody can guarantee safety through the whole chain of events. It doesn't matter if it's safe in public, because what people overwhelmingly want out of dates is the eventuality of not being in public, and coordinating when and where that should happen, if at all, is difficult, and not a problem any app solves. (Regardless of whether they can or should solve it.)
The reason it matters in this particular context is because, in general, women do not think men are safe and dating apps must address this. To specifically counter your arguments about being in a public place with someone, that still opens the doors to: personally invasive touches when no one is looking, invasion of privacy (at this point some contact has occurred), and a physical knowledge of where you are, not to mention being in public hasn't necessarily helped: The murder of Kitty Genovese[1] comes to mind, as does most women having experienced being followed on the streets by men[2] a situation which isn't necessarily helped by public protectors[3] and if you must hear some stories themselves, here are some stories from reddit[4].
So, to answer your question, it is "okay" to operate under such an assumption because, in general, women feel unsafe around men, especially in the context of a dating app. Now, you could make the argument that women are illogical, or you could acknowledge that ~50% of the population might have some reason to feel that way. I personally prefer the latter, but if my opinion doesn't make a difference to you, I would recommend inquiring of women yourself, in some form or another.
[0]: https://www.quora.com/What-is-your-biggest-%E2%80%9CIve-neve...
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese
[2]: http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/2010/01/75-percent-of-wo...
[3]: http://www.revelist.com/viral/portland-woman-stalking-office...
[4]: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskWomen/comments/3suj0m/ladies_wha...
If you're a woman and worried about that, maybe you shouldn't be randomly meeting men on the internet?
>As they say, the "crazy ex-girlfriend" will key your car, but the crazy ex-boyfriend will murder you.
Who says?
Do you stereotype other people in the same manner? Or just men?
>The murder of Kitty Genovese[1] comes to mind
You're going to use a brutal murder that occurred 50 years ago as an example of what women face today?
>here are some stories from reddit
Okay..now go read us some /r/MensRights stories.
1 - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1635092
The OP was about murder, so, no.
Closed the tab before it finished loading.
"GameDate brings like-minded individuals together by creating a first date experience like no other. Our patented technology creates a location based dating application that allows users to search events within a certain mile radius of their location, invite potential dates, interact with the dates to narrow their choice down to one person and through our partnership with ticket exchange network "SeatGeek" purchase tickets to the event. GameDate provides the perfect platform to make sure that everyone's next event is shared with someone special."
I personally don't know anyone who would use this app. Then again, I have very, very few people I would call friends. But, you haven't convinced me, mate.