Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by willtim on Thursday December 08, 2016 @02:53AM
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To be honest, likely Arm is fast enough for most people. My experience of Intel's mobile hardware is that it is noisy, hot and overpriced. I only browse the web and edit text on my laptop, yet I have to suffer fan noise and heat whenever various background processes decide they need lots of CPU (e.g. windows update). I never used to consider alternatives because Intel had great Linux support, this isn't true anymore with regard to their mobile parts.
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Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by fsiefken on Thursday December 08, 2016 @07:06AM
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The mobile generation 7 'kaby lake' intel chip is fanless and cool, works perfectly, the atom 'cherry trail' processor lineup has the same advantage. Energy efficient and you still have binary compatibility with x86 windows programs.
http://ark.intel.com/products/95449
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Atom_microproces...
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by einr on Thursday December 08, 2016 @03:54AM
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whenever various background processes decide they need lots of CPU (e.g. windows update)
I'm not convinced this is Intel's fault.
It's anecdotal, but I do web browsing every day on a cheap, consumer-level HP laptop from 2007 with a Core 2 Duo, 2 GB of RAM and a big dumb mechanical HDD. I hardly ever hear the fan. Using Debian with XFCE and few unnecessary background processes.
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by frik on Thursday December 08, 2016 @06:12AM
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and you use an adblocker, only watch 480p videos, and have only five tabs at most openend - right?
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by gambiting on Thursday December 08, 2016 @03:13AM
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That's just extremely poor engineering of 90% of windows laptop makers. Macs use intel CPUs and they are virtually inaudible unless you are playing games or transcoding videos.
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by vetinari on Thursday December 08, 2016 @03:47AM
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Try scrolling a facebook page on a MBP :) The fans are pretty at max.
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by gambiting on Thursday December 08, 2016 @04:21AM
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What? I'm writing this on a late 2008 MacBook Pro(yes, one with a 2.4GHz Core2Duo and 4GB of ram!), running latest Chrome and the fan might as well be off - if it's running, I genuinely can't hear it. I also have a 2012 MacBook Air, and the only time when I could hear the fan on that was when I foolishly tried playing Guild Wars 2.
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by kalleboo on Thursday December 08, 2016 @06:02AM
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I just spent 60 seconds scrolling up and down on Facebook like a madman, no issues.
This is with Safari though which easily has the best UI performance out of all the browsers.
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by toyg on Thursday December 08, 2016 @04:12AM
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Wat? You must have one of those entry-level models with 4gb of ram. My 2012 mbpr never starts fans unless the gpu is taxed.
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by vetinari on Thursday December 08, 2016 @04:17AM
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Early 2015, 16 GB RAM.
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by drvdevd on Thursday December 08, 2016 @06:41AM
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I had a late-2015, 16GB of RAM mbp, and it also would spin up pretty high and get noisy, especially when using Google Chrome. It would also have some kernel thread crash during suspend, causing it to come on in my bag and get extremely hot.
A complete reinstallation of the OS via a USB installer seemed to mostly solve the issues somewhat, seemingly making the crashes mostly stop and the heat/fan profile more "normal" (just stumbled upon this). I guess I suspect ACPI weirdness...
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by sliken on Thursday December 08, 2016 @07:30AM
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Friend has similar behavior on his older MBP. Turns out all the vents between the keyboard and the display (directly adjacent to the hinge) were filled with dust.
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by gambiting on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:55AM
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I really suspect theirs are caked with dust, because Macs will sooner downclock their CPUs massively rather than spin the fans up during normal use.
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by jackvalentine on Thursday December 08, 2016 @05:26AM
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Something is very wrong with it.
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by vetinari on Thursday December 08, 2016 @05:42AM
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Maybe Firefox and all those auto-playing videos.
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by addicted on Thursday December 08, 2016 @06:43AM
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Macs also thermal throttle a lot. Apple opts for quieter machines over exposing the entire raw power of the CPU like a lot of their competitors do.
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by digi_owl on Thursday December 08, 2016 @06:54AM
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In large part because Jobs had a pathological hatred for fans. The Apple II used to have problems with thermal buckling of the logic board because Jobs insisted on there being no fans. And the later Mac Cube ran into similar problems (never mind that oversensitive capacitive power switch).
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by curt15 on Thursday December 08, 2016 @09:21AM
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Macs are also notorious for running hot.
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by Oletros on Thursday December 08, 2016 @04:40AM
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Tell that to my MBA late 2010 since Maverick
Re:Qualcomm's Snapdragon 835 to Support Windows 10
by gambiting on Thursday December 08, 2016 @04:45AM
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Like I said above - I have a late 2008 MBP running latest chrome + El Capitan and I've literally never heard the fan on that machine - and I use it daily.