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Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by noobermin on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @05:18PM (#12915291)
There's a lot of room to wonder about his trustworthiness given his record as a businessman, but even in this document, he doesn't address campaign finance reform. Congressional term-limits just consolidate power in the moneyed elites--the problems is not just the politicians, it's who corrupted them. If anything, this is a document to passify those moneyed interests who, unlike say Sheldon Adelson, worry about a Trump presidency.

Everything I've seen so far suggests Trump isn't what blue-collar voters ordered for.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by randiantech on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:43PM (#12917804)
Funny, that "if one created, two removed" was a law imposed by a Principal Software Architect to me and my team regarding apps and apis as part of a rationalization program. "If you create this new API, make sure to remove at least two". I have to say, after two years there, that helped a lot to reduce redundancy and complexity. But well, apps and api are not the same of public policies... who knows.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by SilasX on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:47AM (#12918065)
But "aim for simplicity" is a good enough rule by itself, which isn't further enhanced by some "2 for 1" heuristic.

On top of that, "regulation count" is not a natural category, since one regulation can specify an arbitrary number of things. If you replace A) No smoking and B) no littering with C) No smoking or littering, have you changed anything substantive? You have not.

Regulation complexity, of course, is a natural category, but it's hard to measure before the fact and doesn't lend itself to easily-applied "follow for a guaranteed reduction" rules.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by Sacho on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:50AM (#12918269)
The difference is that you operate in a cooperative environment(well, most of the time) within your team. The president operates in an antagonistic environment by default - even if Congress is controlled by the same party, the two sides of government(executive/legislative) are supposed to keep each other in balance.

I otherwise agree that the measure is too simple.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by zigzigzag on Thursday November 10, 2016 @02:54AM (#12918541)
Yes and more specifically Washington DC, the home of the regulators, voted 92% for Hillary. So Trump needs very hard rules that aren't open to interpretation AT ALL to have any chance of them actually working.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by dragonwriter on Sunday November 20, 2016 @12:25AM (#12997421)
> Yes and more specifically Washington DC, the home of the regulators, voted 92% for Hillary.

Washington D.C. may be where regulators work (though some of that is outside the District), but regulators are a very small share of the population. The vote in D.C. has little to do with regulators (it has a lot more to do with race, but even saying it was solely about that would be oversimplifying.)

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by coldnebo on Thursday November 10, 2016 @06:26AM (#12919512)
In my mind, refactoring public policy is going to be like refactoring business processes in enterprise code.

The perception is that all these "horrible" duplications and inefficiencies exist.

The reality is that the duplications are actually slightly different business cases that are are difficult or impossible to generalize (it was easier to copy/mutate) and that seemingly irrelevant code has potentially far reaching and damaging consequences (oh, that was important?)

The essential problem is that we look at these individual lines of code instead of realizing that they grew as part of a dynamic system.

Refactoring code isn't a good analogy.

Try refactoring DNA.

It becomes quite tragic (or hilarious) when teams try to simplify such systems and instead end up breaking lots of business process that was ugly, but worked.

DNA/evolution is orders of magnitude more messy than that, but it gets things done more safely and efficiently than some refactoring efforts I've seen.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by saidajigumi on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:27AM (#12917977)
nice way to get on a slippery slope towards "eval()".

"Read My Lips: no new APIs!"

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by orblivion on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:54AM (#12918086)
I don't get it, doesn't that mean that eventually you have to have tend toward zero api endpoints?
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by ludamad on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:21AM (#12917952)
APIs is a weird unit of complexity. Is 1 API more mental overhead than 12 APIs? It's hard to say.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by KirinDave on Thursday November 10, 2016 @02:14AM (#12918375)
The goal isn't like APIs: to preserve efficacy with a smaller set of tools. The goal is to literally make the government less capable of leading on things like healthcare reform and climate change.

Check who the Trump campaign says is going to be leading the switchover of the EPA. I think I know where most of the slashed regulations are going to come from.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by maxxxxx on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:16AM (#12917935)
At some point you have to stop cutting. You can't go thus forever.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by Beltiras on Thursday November 10, 2016 @05:28AM (#12919229)
The US code is 22 million words. [1] is a good visualization of it. I'd wager there are tons of redundancies that could be refactored. That being said, I'd also wager that careful refactoring is not on DJT's mind. More slash-and-burn the parts he doesn't like.

[1] https://twitter.com/harlanyu/status/165184504527462400/photo...

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by dragonwriter on Sunday November 20, 2016 @12:29AM (#12997435)
The US Code is law, not regulation, and so is completely irrelevant here. What you want to cite is the Code of Federal Regulations, which is much larger than the U.S. Code.

Of course you provide no reason at all except an unsupported assumption to believe that the size of the completely wrong thing that you cite is an indicator of unnecessary complexity, and the fact that you cite the completely wrong thing is a pretty good sign that you have zero knowledge of the domain from which to form a judgement.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by Beltiras on Sunday November 20, 2016 @11:54AM (#12999736)
I spoke in generalities. You are absolutely correct. I have no claim to being an expert or even a layman. What I do know is that once a description of any thing exceeds a certain threshold, there are bound to be redundancies. Think of it in terms of codebases for large softwares. The Linux kernel is approaching 20 MLoCs. I'd wager heavily on there being a different architecture delivering the same functionality with less code to describe it. Proving it would be a tremendously hard task, far outweighing any gain from such a bet.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by ethbro on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:32AM (#12917994)
"If this rule needs to be broken, then bring me a proposal for why" is a good addition. The idea should be to swap the default to less-complexity rather than more-complexity. If more is less, then it should be possible to write a succinct justification for it.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by bmmayer1 on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @09:09PM (#12917095)
Is campaign finance reform really that big an issue, considering Trump just proved it's possible to win an election without any big money or support from special interests?
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by bduerst on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @09:44PM (#12917268)
That's a lie. Trump courted and accepted money from special interests - there was even a Planet Money podcast on it.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by tribune on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:37PM (#12917772)
Sure he did - but nearly as much as did Clinton. This election absolutely proved that a candidate can't simple "buy" an election
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by IkmoIkmo on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:51AM (#12918273)
Well the story to me is basically: money plays a gigantic factor and allows you to win elections, because it gives you exposure.

You can beat that moneyed system if you happen to be an eccentric billionaire, who happens to have been a household name for decades, who will say anything, racist, misogynistic, hateful, lies and false promises, to get the exposure to get elected despite not paying for it.

Just about anything else and you need money to get exposure, get on television, get yourself in the spotlight. He just didn't happen to have needed money to get exposure, but that's an exception, in exceptional circumstances, and limits potential candidates to those with exceptional media/wealth backgrounds. That's not a model that makes sense to sustain.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by 551199 on Thursday November 10, 2016 @08:35AM (#12920193)
Clinton campaign was the most expensive ever and she still lost[0]

And there is a reason for that: "Hillary Clinton was the candidate of the military industrial complex and international finance capital."[1]

[0] https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16 [1] http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/09/the-rejection-of-wall...

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by bduerst on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:47AM (#12918257)
I disagree. I would argue that his campaign proved otherwise.

Promising to never accept special interest money, only to go on to actively seek out and take it a mere months later, proves that it's necessary to win in an election.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by facetube on Sunday November 13, 2016 @02:32AM (#12942284)
He has demonstrated something dangerous. It is dangerous to dispense bigotry from the highest office in the land. It has consequences. It gets people hurt and killed. The consequences are foreseeable.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by swsieber on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:07AM (#12917898)
You're right - he demonstrated one can flaunt bigotry and appeal to our basest emotions to get equal media attention wothout paying for it.

So in my opinion he hasn't demonstrated anything useful.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by fusiongyro on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:12AM (#12918134)
Adding to your point, he was also hugely successful in the primary despite being massively outspent by Jeb.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by riffic on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:19AM (#12918151)
According to folks like Lawrence Lessig, campaign finance reform is the only issue that matters.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by em3rgent0rdr on Thursday November 10, 2016 @02:10AM (#12918359)
> "proved it's possible to win an election without any big money"

But he had big money! :)

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by nartsbtaa on Thursday November 10, 2016 @04:06AM (#12918846)
You can win an election without spending big money. But you do need to charisma, and no amount of money can buy Hillary/Romney/Kerry/Gore charisma.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by josho on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:52PM (#12916172)
Trump railed against the system that allowed politicians to be bought. It turns out his solution is to term limit congress. Sounds like treating a symptom not the root cause.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by postcarnival on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @10:47PM (#12917556)
so what, then let's offer solutions and try to get them enacted? why all the armchair bitching on this site as if everyone is an expert just because they write code? what he did is nothing short of monumental and he WANTS to help America. If everyone is so damn smart then get involved and suggest changes. It's not like he's a fucking robot that is going to sit back and count how many marble statues he has in his garden!
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by ubernostrum on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:00AM (#12918099)
Want money out of presidential politics? Make everybody run using only the presidential-campaign fund. You know, that one that you check the box on your tax return to give a couple bucks to?

As for Congress, we also already have a good fix, we just never got around to passing it. Congressional politics are full of money because the districts are too large, on average. The districts are too large because in the 50 states, with 320 million people, we have only 435 voting members in the House of Representatives.

The solution is more Representatives and smaller districts; when you don't have to run a campaign in multiple expensive markets across a broad area, you don't need as much money (and can get to know your constituents better).

And it turns out... there's a constitutional amendment for that.

Way back in 1789 when Congress met for the first time after the Constitution went into effect, they submitted twelve amendments to the states. Ten of them were ratified quickly and became what we know as the Bill of Rights. The other two were not ratified by enough states, and were mostly forgotten.

Today, it's common for Congress to put a time limit on an amendment, saying it has to be ratified within X years or it's dead. But back then they didn't do that. So in 1992 a random university student discovered one of the two "forgotten" amendments and that it was still legislatively "live" -- it would take effect if enough states ratified them. He campaigned hard and got the amendment (which says any increase in salary for members of Congress doesn't take effect until after the next House election) ratified, as the 27th amendment.

The other one is still sitting out there, and would become part of the Constitution if enough states (currently, 27) would ratify it. And it changes the formula for how many Representatives there are, and how they're apportioned. The original text of the Constitution set a cap on the size of the House of Representatives, at one Representative per 30,000 people. The apportionment amendment would raise that to 1 per 50,000, and the version passed by the Senate would require increasing the number of Representatives as the population of the US grows.

So if you want real change in Congress, campaign to get the House of Representatives enlarged. There's even already an amendment available to help you, if you can get it ratified.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by piotrkaminski on Thursday November 10, 2016 @05:32AM (#12919252)
I applaud the principle, but I think having 6400 (320M / 50K) members of the House of Representatives may be a little much to get actual work done.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by mixedCase on Thursday November 10, 2016 @09:04AM (#12920417)
>may be a little much to get actual work done.

Sounds like a good thing then to filter out non-universally good ideas and a great measure to make it harder to buy politicians. Gov needs to do less, not more.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by piotrkaminski on Thursday November 10, 2016 @02:01PM (#12923158)
It'll definitely make it harder to buy (a meaningful number of) politicians. It'll also filter out bad ideas, but I'm afraid it'll also filter out the good ones. After all, there is research (which I'm too lazy to look up right now) that shows that as the size of a committee grows, their output tends towards mediocrity. But I dunno, perhaps mediocrity is what we actually want in government? (Not being sarcastic.)
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by JadeNB on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:11PM (#12922155)
> So in 1992 a random university student discovered one of the two "forgotten" amendments and that it was still legislatively "live" -- it would take effect if enough states ratified them. He campaigned hard and got the amendment (which says any increase in salary for members of Congress doesn't take effect until after the next House election) ratified, as the 27th amendment.

A minor correction to this fascinating story: according to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_to_th...), Gregory Watson, a UT Austin student, discovered it in 1982. The significance of the year 1992 (in this connection) is that that's when it actually became part of the Constitution.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by hossbeast on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:32AM (#12918193)
Can you give a link to more information about this?
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by ubernostrum on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:37AM (#12918219)
Google "Congressional Apportionment Amendment". Wikipedia has a decent summary, and several other sites campaign for it to be ratified.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by vehementi on Thursday November 10, 2016 @03:21AM (#12918644)
Are you under the impression that campaign finance reform is a new issue brought up minutes ago on this forum, and hasn't been extensively researched with proposals before?
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by r_smart on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:57PM (#12922611)
In the spirit of your comment, I'd like to suggest a massive income raise for elected federal officials. The leader of the free world makes something like $400k / year. If we were willing to give them more, it might reduce the temptation to take so much from lobbyists, and perhaps save us a lot of money in the long run. If I'm wrong, it won't cost much in the scheme of things anyway.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by Roverlord on Friday November 11, 2016 @03:57PM (#12934269)
https://www.greatagain.gov/

He's actively seeking suggestions on his transition site.

Share your ideas.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by loisguthrie on Friday November 11, 2016 @05:30PM (#12935081)
Gary Sinise for seretary of Veterans Affairs.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by legodt on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:17AM (#12917940)
He wants to help white, cis male America. Trump has demonstrated great disdain for anybody who isn't that
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by r_smart on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:00PM (#12922631)
Yes, for example one of the first things he talked about in his victory speech was helping out the inner cities. He must not know that there are high populations of black people in those areas.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by SMUx on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @11:55PM (#12917854)
I understand the sentiment but comments like this detract from the value of this community.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by postcarnival on Thursday November 10, 2016 @11:02PM (#12927640)
actually I just read the replies and I see quite a few productive ones! just saying...
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by JosephHatfield on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:35AM (#12918005)
I don't see how elections themselves aren't term limits. You want to end someone's reign, vote them out. Am I missing something?
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by laughfactory on Thursday November 10, 2016 @02:10AM (#12918357)
You're missing the incumbent bias. It's well known we prefer the devil we know to the one we don't--even if we objectively have good reason to dislike the incumbent.

Which is to say if, after electing someone to office, we immediately 1) forgot we voted for them, and 2) became completely unaware of their continuing existence and actions in office only then would elections be truly a sufficient substitute for term limits. Otherwise, given the choice, enough votes will be cast to keep the incumbent in office just because he/she is familiar. The thinking seems to go something like: well, that's the name I recognize, and hey, the world hasn't come to an end in the past few years, so... why not. Let's just keep 'em. Versus this other person who might do all kinds of things I can't foresee and may not like.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by notahacker on Thursday November 10, 2016 @05:42AM (#12919291)
But of course incumbent bias is still dependent on the candidate not being unpopular.

I can see arguments for term limits, particularly in positions where the composition of the electorate means the other major party isn't likely to seriously challenge the governing party's preferred candidate (usually the incumbent) which makes their position very safe indeed.

But anti-corruption isn't one of them. Arguably, from a point of view of anti-corruption, the incumbent needs the special interests a lot less than the new challengers...

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by inimino on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:02AM (#12918107)
Incumbents have an advantage and tend to get reelected. Term limits introduce more outsiders by kicking people out after a while.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by KirinDave on Thursday November 10, 2016 @02:16AM (#12918379)
Systems that rely on voters being exhaustively educated are brittle and prone to manipulation.

The challenge of term limits is that they hurt effective politicans the most, so it's always got to be a balancing act.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by baddox on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:34AM (#12918205)
It's a check on direct democracy, which I think is fine in principle. It's the same reason the US has a constitution.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by sgnelson on Thursday November 10, 2016 @11:12AM (#12921618)
Yes you are; Gerymandering.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by ArkyBeagle on Thursday November 10, 2016 @08:06AM (#12920009)
Nope.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by rurban on Sunday November 13, 2016 @02:52AM (#12942348)
No. The problem are the corrupt selfserving politicians, and not the ones who corrupt them.

And his program is not only term-limits. mostly going after the criminals and clean up the mess. They should be worried, and are already crying.

Should be doable even with the press witchhunting him and later with the antiliberal nonsense he will come up to please his voter base.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by feld on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @09:03PM (#12917057)
It doesn't stop the flow of money, just requires that it's more fairly distributed throughout the party.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by Shivetya on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @06:53PM (#12916180)
Well let us be honest here. Electing politicians hasn't exactly been doing us that much good. If anything we have learned we cannot accept their word at all.

I am of the opinion that politicians corrupted themselves by selling their ability to shape the laws that govern the country and decide who is punished and who is rewarded.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by blintz on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:22PM (#12916802)
So then what's your alternative? Would you prefer a system without politicians? What kind of system is that?

We must elect trustworthy politicians, we must make it harder for big money to interfere, and we must have faith in our government. It's hard for me to say right now, given our current president-elect, but it's true. There truly is no good alternative to democracy.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by susam on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:22AM (#12917955)
Your comment reminds me of the following famous quote by Winston Churchill.

"Many forms of Government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." -- Speech in the House of Commons (11 November 1947)

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by mindcrime on Thursday November 10, 2016 @12:27AM (#12917978)
Would you prefer a system without politicians?

Yes.

What kind of system is that?

Self-government[1] and/or a stateless society[2].

[1]: https://www.theadvocates.org/

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_society

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by exergy on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:39AM (#12918227)
I'm sorry, but that sounds like the kind of thing an edy 18 year old would say.

There are no examples of 350 million people being governed WITHOUT a government, and for good reasons.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by mindcrime on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:59AM (#12918311)
There are no examples of...

There never is, until the first time. If nobody tried to do things that haven't been done before, there would be no progress.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." ~~ George Bernard Shaw

I'm sorry, but that sounds like the kind of thing an edy 18 year old would say.

Please don't do that, this is HN, not Reddit.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by jjnoakes on Thursday November 10, 2016 @08:34AM (#12920186)
> this is HN, not Reddit.

Please don't do that. There's no need to smear other sites. Ending the sentence at "Please don't do that." should suffice.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by exergy on Thursday November 10, 2016 @09:39AM (#12920680)
It has nothing to do with reddit, and everything to do with rose-tinted glasses, since you still haven't given me an example that could serve as an inspiration. Words in a book and italicised quotes are great, but not how the world functions unfortunately. For ezanple, I'd introduce a worldwide carbon tax tomorrow and make preventing further climate change priority number one at the expense of just about everything else. One of my favorite environmental scientists, stephen schneider always used to say that we should never let the perfect get in the way of the good.

As much as we'd like to believe otherwise, virtually ALL progress is incremental. Technological AND societal.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by mindcrime on Friday November 11, 2016 @12:48AM (#12928306)
since you still haven't given me an example that could serve as an inspiration

I'm sorry, why should I feel obligated to give you an example? Like I already said once, there are no examples of something that hasn't been done... yet. So your repeated request for something that isn't required strikes me as kinda pointless.

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by kefka on Thursday November 10, 2016 @07:31AM (#12919835)
You're thinking of Greg Egan's idea of "Stateless", the illegal biotech'ed island. In that story, the technology and the island defends egalitarian principles and organized 'no-ruler-ship' (anarchy).

I certainly think anarchy could work, if the underlying technological stuffs were the enforcers of equality.

*The book is called "Distress", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distress_(novel)

Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by baddox on Thursday November 10, 2016 @01:40AM (#12918232)
While any such system would obviously be a radical change from our current system, such systems do exist both conceptually and historically, and it's not just stateless societies. The most obvious example is sortition, whereby officials are selected randomly. Again, applying that everywhere overnight is obviously radical, but the idea is fairly sound. It's how jury duty works in the United States, and it's how Athenian democracy (mostly) worked.
Re:Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter [pdf] by Elrac on Thursday November 10, 2016 @11:19AM (#12921697)
That this is how jury duty works doesn't inspire me with a lot of confidence.

Case in point: A couple of weeks ago, a jury acquitted the Bundys after they'd occupied a federal building and used threat of lethal force to keep federal authorities from evicting them. If you'll pardon my snark, this is what happens when you turn jurisprudence over to a handful of rednecks.

Along very similar lines, modern-day politicians make decisions affecting (in some cases) millions of lives and trillions of Dollars. The issues they decide on are complex, and ideally we'd want lawmakers to really work at their "trade:" To deeply study the issues and consult competent experts. Our current crop of professional career politicians, some of whom are evolution and warming deniers heading up education and environmental/energy committees are spectacularly failing to live up to this expectation, and there's no good reason to believe a selection of people randomly chosen from the population would do better, on average.