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Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by whack on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @07:28AM (#12547153)
There was a NYtimes article a few years ago, which I thought perfectly captured the fundamental difference between Apple and Google's product planning process.

Apple runs on Intelligent Design. You have a room full of geniuses who decide what to build, make sure it fits perfectly into their overall product portfolio with minimal overlap or cannibalization, spend years in a dark secret room building it until it's perfectly polished, and then do a big-bang launch.

Google on the other hand, runs on evolution. You've got tens of thousands of smart people all over the company, each with their own cool ideas and visions. Director #1 decides it would be cool to have a single unified messaging/video app that works across all platforms; Director #2 decides it would be cool to have a messaging app that's perfectly customized for mobile phones and Random-Guy #3 decides to do a 20℅ project on a messaging app that integrates AI functionality. Instead of trying to pick a winner, and telling everyone else to abandon their projects, Google allows all 3 visions to play themselves out on a small scale, and then doubles down on the winner. Rather than having a perfect product portfolio like Apple, Google is almost like an incubator, full of interesting ideas and projects, even if they lack the structure that comes with Central Planning.

The downside of course, is brand confusion and dilution. People looking for a messaging app, and not having the time to explore all options thoroughly, will have a hard time figuring out which Google-messaging-app to go with. If they pick a non-optimal one, it's going to hurt the Google brand in their eyes. But the upside is innovation. Allowing multiple ideas to play themselves out at the same time, allows for so much more innovation, experimentation and iteration. And ultimately, I think those are the qualities that Google wants to prioritize.

Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by danohu on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @07:54AM (#12547300)
The Google approach would be great, if they just separated it from the Google brand.

Like, when Unilever launch a new detergent, they give it a totally separate brand. If it fails, they drop it quietly, and if it succeeds they can roll it out worldwide.

I wish Google would do the same. Launch this as 'allo', with the fact that it's from alphabet buried in the small print. Once it's been doing well for a couple of years, they can think about pulling it into the Google brand and pushing it to every user in the world.

Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by paulryanrogers on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @08:21AM (#12547486)
Without brand it's hard to stand out in the crowded messaging space.
Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by rubber_duck on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @08:55AM (#12547713)
Honestly crap like this is devaluing their brand. At this point I have 0 faith that Google will stick to any of their random products (Google Wave, Buzz, Reader, Code, Google+) and therefore I avoid using them.
Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by fzzzy on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @09:09AM (#12547791)
It really is devaluing the brand. Bring back Google Talk.
Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by markab21 on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @09:23AM (#12547885)
Google had corporate/cross platform messaging before it was cool. Gmail, Google Talk was a killer combo for our small teams.

Dumb dumb dumb.

Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by degenerate on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @10:44AM (#12548603)
Google Talk was perfect. PER-FECT. Of course they killed it!
Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by theshrike79 on Thursday September 22, 2016 @03:25PM (#12559504)
They didn't even properly kill it, they just let it slowly stagnate.

Like they're doing with Hangouts now. No real new features have appeared in years.

Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by subliminalpanda on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @10:01AM (#12548196)
I really miss Google reader.
Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by chaoticelf13 on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @11:42AM (#12549219)
Feedly isn't bad. I have been with them since Reader was shut down.
Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by dmd on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @08:32AM (#12547570)
That's precisely the point. It should compete on its own merits.
Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by doodpants on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @09:34AM (#12547978)
I think danohu's point was that with branding, it's hard to stand out in the crowded Google messaging space.
Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by nkozyra on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @08:41AM (#12547628)
Two easy ways to stand out:

1. Brand 2. Money

If they took this approach it would require a much more concerted marketing strategy.

Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by BEEdwards on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @09:32AM (#12547960)
Well they happen to be in the marketing business so...
Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by 7Z7 on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @09:39AM (#12548026)
Google/Alphabet are not in the marketing business. In fact they have pretty awful marketing. They are in the displaying ads business.
Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by Pxtl on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @10:40AM (#12548539)
Exactly.

Disney has Miramax for films that don't fit under the Disney brand.

Toyota has the Scion brand for quirky, weird car designs.

Google could have a brand for experimental apps that they're not sure about.

Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by croddin on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @01:34PM (#12550378)
That's what Google Labs was. If they had kept Google Labs and released some of these products under that brand, people might not be as worried about them killing the full-fledged Google projects when experiments are ended.
Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by aji on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @03:46PM (#12551577)
eh, Google Labs is still very obviously Google though. the idea would be, for each new product, to create an entirely new brand with no obvious connection to Google, that Google could later bring on full time if they decide they're ready to commit

for example, "Google Allo" could have just been released as "Allo", separate website and everything, and if Google feels it's working out and is the future of their messaging platform, eventually officially bring it in to the Google ecosystem. sort of like a buyout

Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by Pxtl on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @05:54PM (#12552617)
Use the Nexus brand for them. It's not like they're using that anymore.
Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by woobar on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @11:35AM (#12549151)
I don't think Scion is a good example. They sold _exactly_ same cars under Toyota brand outside of NA market. The Scion brand was more about flat price and limited options.

And now it is dead.

Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by deong on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @11:27AM (#12549064)
Hell, it might be great if they'd just actually do that part about "doubling down on the winner".
Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by saint_fiasco on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @01:16PM (#12550196)
If they are going to launch it and hide that it's from Alphabet, why not just let non-Alphabet companies make those products and then buy the most successful one?

That's what Facebook did.

Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by jonstewart on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @10:05AM (#12548228)
The flip-side of the coin of "brand confusion" is the user's perspective of cognitive overload, technical frustration from UX churn, and being left behind after adopting a dead-end "product".
Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by jvm on Wednesday September 21, 2016 @01:12PM (#12550155)
> Director #1 decides it would be cool to have a single unified messaging/video app that works across all platforms; Director #2 decides it would be cool to have a messaging app that's perfectly customized for mobile phones and Random-Guy #3 decides to do a 20℅ project on a messaging app that integrates AI functionality. Instead of trying to pick a winner, and telling everyone else to abandon their projects, Google allows all 3 visions to play themselves out on a small scale

Yes, absolutely!!

> and then doubles down on the winner

…I'm not so sure about that step ;-)

Re:Say hello to Google Allo: a smarter messaging app by makecheck on Thursday September 22, 2016 @07:47PM (#12561301)
Oh, it’s much worse than that. Once you add in Google’s platform (Android), you get even more “visions” such as the “pre-Google open-source variant” of an Android app (before Google’s fork of it to add “improvements”), and usually at least one crappy version installed by the phone carrier. And typically none of these can be removed, all part of the ROM. I remember seeing at least THREE variants of several common apps when using Android. I couldn’t believe it was so unfocused.