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Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by vannevar on Friday September 16, 2016 @03:02PM (#12516450)
But Tew was the first to do it, which left a lot of people wondering why they didn’t think of it first.

Lots of people thought of it, but discounted it because it was a dumb idea, missing one crucially important ingredient: page-views. Anybody can put up a web site, it's getting people to look at it that's hard. And once people are looking at it, it's easy to sell ad space. What no one could have known, including Tew, is that the story was going to get picked up by the media, which would generate his page-views for him. Nowadays, lots of people are trying to hack the concept of virality, which despite the name is really more a matter of climbing the media hierarchy rather than spreading in some kind of peer-to-peer manner. You get picked up by a few small tweeters or bloggers, then by bigger tweeters and bloggers, and then by major media, and---voila! You cash in and look like a genius. But everyone else is trying to do the same thing, and no one has a repeatable recipe for virality, so in the end it's largely a matter of luck.

Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by IgorPartola on Friday September 16, 2016 @03:43PM (#12516725)
I'm not sure that nobody has it. It's basically a matter of hacking the system to get cheaper CPM than what you can get with ads. If ads are the market index fund, you are trying to beat it by exploiting some oddity in the system. Once you do so on a large scale, the market adjusts and the oddity either goes away, or becomes useless. But I can think of a few ways to do this:

- Produce awesome content. Remember the Old Spice YouTube channel where they set up and produced videos for a few days in real-time response to people tweeting at them? That got lots of people looking at their product. Sure, it was an expensive stunt, but a stunt that worked. I bet it'd work again and again, as long as it's not done too frequently.

- Send out brand ambassadors into random communities. There are lots of brands present as specific people on places like Reddit, Imgur, etc. They are not customer service, they are not there as the official faces of the brand. They are just there to hang out, shoot the shit, and occasionally give out some free stuff or do something "awesome", "rad", or whatever.

- Provide comprehensive media kits to journalists. The dirty secret is that nowadays people who make money by writing articles need to write lots of them. Do 90% of the work, and they'll jump on the opportunity to customize it a bit, and post it immediately. They get to take a longer lunch break, you get free page views.

- For small or personal projects, go and do the "Show HN" equivalent on various communities. Even if they generally don't allow self-advertising, the rule is usually overlooked if you don't push too hard, and just present it as "I made a thing. Check it out."

- Start a KickStarter campaign for no reason. Ideally, if you can afford to not hinge your business on it, you can just use it as both a pre-order platform, and as an easy way to grab attention of lots of people.

- Sell $1 bills for $0.90. That worked really well for Uber. It can work for you too!

Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by petercooper on Friday September 16, 2016 @05:52PM (#12517623)
I'll tell you one way a lot of indie fashion brands, mobile apps, and bedroom music producers are doing it right now.

There are people (mostly teenagers/early 20s) who set up catchy Twitter accounts with endless streams of funny photos or videos along various themes. They cross promote and cross retweet these accounts (often retweeting each other's posts for just 5 minutes, then unretweeting again to remove the trace) until they build up over 100K legitimate followers. They then sell "spots" on these accounts to (mostly) people running Shopify fashion stores or mobile app developers ($18 per 100K impressions is a typical rate right now). I've also seen a couple of musicians "come up" through this approach using Soundcloud. (What they do is have fake female accounts repost Vines, tweets, or screenshots of Tumblr raving about thing X, then get those retweeted on "decks" - people then impulse retweet, then they delete the original content to make it all look organic.)

This is the wild west of social right now, it's hard to find info about it, you gotta spend weeks digging around and warming up to the right people, especially since a lot of the trail is destroyed shortly after it's posted.

I'm not going to go into much more detail as I've spent months figuring out this space, but believe me, there are some amazingly savvy 15-25 year olds out there making things on social not look exactly what they seem(!) :)

Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by IgorPartola on Saturday September 17, 2016 @11:09AM (#12520776)
Do you have any examples of this, or how to get in touch with someone who is doing this?
Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by andai on Friday September 16, 2016 @11:18PM (#12518947)
Thank you. That's fascinating. I'm trying to do this with bots.
Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by ZainRiz on Friday September 16, 2016 @03:50PM (#12516779)
> Sell $1 bills for $0.90. That worked really well for Uber. It can work for you too!

Huh? What's the story there?

Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by IgorPartola on Friday September 16, 2016 @03:57PM (#12516856)
It's mostly sarcasm, but Uber is one example of several companies whose business model was to disrupt an entrenched industry by providing more value than they were charging for, capture market share, then raise prices. Basically, initially it was cheaper to take an Uber than a Taxi. Currently that's no longer the case.
Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by Finbarr on Friday September 16, 2016 @04:46PM (#12517205)
In the SF Bay Area it's still way cheaper to take Uber than a Taxi.
Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by nodesocket on Friday September 16, 2016 @08:59PM (#12518523)
In many cities it is still cheaper to Uber than Taxi. Personally I know it is cheaper to Uber than taxi in San Francisco, Stockholm, Cluj (Romania), Prague, and Brussels.
Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by guyzero on Friday September 16, 2016 @04:56PM (#12517285)
In the one urban area that has the worst taxi service in the US, Uber is winning. Great!
Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by MichaelBurge on Friday September 16, 2016 @05:12PM (#12517393)
I'm not sure I understand your point. Are you claiming that they're losing in every single other market?

At least in Portland, I've never taken a taxi in my life, but have taken probably a dozen Ubers.

Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by BeetleB on Friday September 16, 2016 @05:35PM (#12517537)
>At least in Portland, I've never taken a taxi in my life, but have taken probably a dozen Ubers.

Which is one reason why Uber is winning. You do not even bother to check taxi fares.

I checked Uber rates to get to the airport. Not cheaper than taxi - about the same.

Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by brownbat on Friday September 16, 2016 @08:56PM (#12518513)
> I checked Uber rates to get to the airport. Not cheaper than taxi - about the same.

Did people stop tipping cabs?

Maybe you meant Ubers were 20% more expensive, or maybe people don't tip cabs anymore, I don't know.

Honestly I'd pay more than cabfare + tips just to have the price be explicit. Tips basically become a tax on nice people. I'd much rather everyone was paying the same price.

Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by Veen on Monday September 19, 2016 @04:26AM (#12529812)
I live in Hungary where the taxis are pretty cheap but you have to call them, and there's not guarantee that you'll get someone who can speak English.

When I first got here, I used Uber all the time, but the government passed some anti-über laws and Uber withdrew from the market. Now I just use the public transport, which is pretty good, but less convenient than Uber. I felt bad for all the drivers that lost their jobs.

Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by serge2k on Friday September 16, 2016 @07:31PM (#12518151)
Cheaper in Seattle too.

They are still losing billions a year.

Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by friendlygrammar on Friday September 16, 2016 @08:27PM (#12518409)
It's cheaper everywhere in the US
Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by freshyill on Friday September 16, 2016 @10:25PM (#12518786)
While the lower price was nice, one of the biggest selling points for Uber with me was convenience and a guaranteed minimum level of quality. While Uber is as cheap and convenient as ever for me (in and around DC), the quality has seriously suffered. I've been in some pretty beat Uber cars, and one time the driver got out to pee behind the car.
Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by kuschku on Friday September 16, 2016 @04:14PM (#12516997)
Predatory Pricing. Something Uber did, which is illegal, but they will likely never get fined for it.
Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by prodigal_erik on Friday September 16, 2016 @06:55PM (#12517975)
A taxi driver has to rent a medallion and a car (because they can't just use the one they already own) and needs to charge extra for trips across city limits (because they're barred from picking up anyone in another city). It's not predatory pricing when your lower prices are due to lower costs.
Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by kuschku on Saturday September 17, 2016 @07:59AM (#12520158)
A taxi driver in my state has to rent nothing, has to only get insurance and a drivers license allowing them to transport people (which is basically 50$), and there’s two dozen competing services.

Don’t assume your local shitty laws are an issue everywhere.

Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by Cpoll on Monday September 19, 2016 @11:45AM (#12532309)
Likewise, don't assume your local good laws aren't shitty everywhere else.
Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by grkvlt on Friday September 16, 2016 @09:03PM (#12518543)
Predatory pricing is only illegal if you are a monopoly, or part of a price-fixing cartel. Simply selling something for less than cost is 100% legal, although as a business strategy it requires deep pockets, and if or when you raise prices you risk alienating your customers...
Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by grkvlt on Saturday September 17, 2016 @02:52AM (#12519466)
Clarification, having checked after being down-voted. It is also illegal if the below-cost pricing strategy can be shown to have been implemented with the express purpose of driving competitors out of business. This intent is the important thing, it would be fine to sell below cost to gain customers for a new market, or to encourage network effects, and if that had the unintended side effect of causing a competing company to fail this is fine.

My understanding is that these cases are usually very hard to prove, unless you have 'smoking gun' evidence of some kind.

Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by JohnHammersley on Friday September 16, 2016 @06:07PM (#12517716)
I remember this at the time -- Tew invested the initial earnings he made (<£2,000 IIRC) from selling ad space to friends and family into buying media coverage, which kickstarted the whole thing.

So whilst he was lucky, he did kind of make his own luck by putting the money into it -- he could have just taken that money and sat on it.

Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by notahacker on Friday September 16, 2016 @06:34PM (#12517872)
I seem to recall reading that Tew spent up to 20% of his targeted million dollars on PR[1]. Which would suggest that he had a very good understanding of page views being the important ingredient, a good story for traditional media being important (more so at the time) to get there, and more faith in what he was doing than anyone else that had the idea of creating a pure web page billboard.

[1]IIRC it was discussed in Paul Carr's Bringing Nothing to the Party, which isn't exactly complimentary about Tew

Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by JohnHammersley on Friday September 16, 2016 @06:12PM (#12517755)
From an article in 2006:

"His friends and family paid the first $1,000 dollars, which he spent on a press release. That small publicity gave his site more traffic, which in turn persuaded more advertisers to have faith."

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4585026.stm

I remember from the TV news coverage he talked about how he'd sent that press release out to hundreds of news outlets. So I feel he (in part at least) made his own luck on this one.

Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by vannevar on Sunday September 18, 2016 @12:12AM (#12523902)
Thousands of people send their press releases out every day, and most of them are never seen again. I stand by my assertion that it was largely a matter of luck, and while Tew no doubt knew he needed publicity, he had no reliably repeatable way of getting it. He was very fortunate with a dumb idea that fit someone's need for a good story at the time. There are thousands, maybe millions, of other dumb ideas that would make equally good stories but are not picked up. Statistically, it would indeed have been a better move for Tew to take the money and sit on it, just as it is a better move for a lottery player to save their $2. But it's certainly a lot more fun to gamble it. And unlike a lottery winner, in business if you win with a dumb idea, you not only profit, you look like some kind of savant.
Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by jlarocco on Friday September 16, 2016 @07:47PM (#12518213)
Funny story about that.

I worked on an internship back in 2004, and one morning my manager walked in and asked a coworker and me something like, "Do you think people would buy pixels on a website?" We asked what he meant, and he explained this exact idea.

Of course we told him it was dumb and nobody would buy pixels and it would be pointless, and how would anybody find it, etc., and he decided not to do anything with it.

Then, about a year later, this site came around, made the news, and sold out in no time.

Like you said, there's a lot more to it then just putting the site online, but I've always felt a little bad for dismissing it so quickly.

Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by m4tta on Friday September 16, 2016 @09:05PM (#12518547)

  Lots of people thought of it, but discounted it because it was a dumb idea
An idea that costs almost nothing to do with almost nothing to lose.
Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by vannevar on Sunday September 18, 2016 @10:56AM (#12525545)
Almost being the operative word here. Compared to the eventual payoff, yes, almost nothing. But I'll bet Tew actually spent quite a bit of time working on the idea, time he might've spent on something else with much better prospects for success. He's a classic case of survivor's bias: we only know about him because he was successful. We don't know about the thousands of others that pursued similarly dumb ideas (maybe even the same one) and failed.
Re:The man behind the million dollar homepage 11 years later by dennisnedry on Friday September 16, 2016 @03:04PM (#12516463)
Agreed, kind of like gambling.