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Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by matwood on Friday September 09, 2016 @11:34PM (#12467550)
The article is liberal with its language, but makes good points backed up by facts. The point and shoot market was killed by the smart phone. The camera market has become the smart phone and the DSLR. DSLRs may be safe for awhile because they provide advanced features that are hard to match in a phone sized device, but as a non-professional photographer I find myself reaching for my phone more often than my DSLR.

I love using my DSLR, but I hate dealing with the workflow. If I take a picture with my DSLR I have to put the SD card in my computer, load up Lightroom, edit, export, and finally upload/share the picture.

Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by ksml on Friday September 09, 2016 @11:48PM (#12467592)
I agree that the smartphone killed the point and shoot industry, but I think it's pretty far overboard to say that Apple is revolutionizing the camera industry with the iPhone 7. They added another lens, which is certainly nice but not revolutionary, and they added some depth of field effects, which are nice but look pretty bad compared to actual shallow depth of field.

Edit: Also, you definitely don't need to fire up Lightroom to share photos from your DSLR; I think practically any DSLR can shoot JPG. Many DSLRs can also share photos to phones via wifi or Bluetooth these days. Mine didn't come with such a feature, but Nikon sells a $20-30 adapter that adds that capability.

Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by vcarl on Saturday September 10, 2016 @12:01AM (#12467634)
It's not going to kill professional photography, but the folks who buy a DSLR for the bokeh might not have a reason to buy that camera. Might shrink the market for DSLRs.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by andrewaylett on Saturday September 10, 2016 @09:16AM (#12469040)
Google's camera app has had the ability to generate a depth-map to add bokeh for a couple of years now: https://research.googleblog.com/2014/04/lens-blur-in-new-goo...

It actually works surprisingly well, but I've not traded in my SLR. Being able to do something similar with a second lens -- or even using Project Tango sensors -- to avoid the post-exposure motion would make it more useful, but I suspect still not as versatile (and even with my SLR, the difference between my relatively cheap lenses and borrowing someone's more expensive lenses, on the same body, is quite obvious).

Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by ksml on Saturday September 10, 2016 @01:53AM (#12467897)
I don't doubt that the iPhone will shrink the market for DSLRs eventually, but I don't think it's going to do it to a significant extent just yet (not much more than it already has been). I'm skeptical that people buy DSLRs just for the bokeh, and anyways the samples that they showed look nowhere near as good as real bokeh from a nice lens. I think non-photographers buy DSLRs because they still take better pictures than smartphones in certain situations, particularly when an optical zoom would be desired (e.g. A kid's performance or graduation). The new iPhone comes a step closer to potentially addressing some of those situations, but it's still limited; 56mm full-frame equivalent is not really all that zoomed in, and AFAIK there isn't yet any way to zoom between the 28mm lens and 56mm lens any better than traditional digital zoom (i.e. cropping and rescaling).
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by coralreef on Saturday September 10, 2016 @01:39AM (#12467870)
I'm curious to know how well the bokeh/shallow depth works on the 7+. By the looks of it they use facial recognition and machine learning to determine what not to blur.

This means objects and figures that aren't faces might not be tuned too well.

Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by _s on Saturday September 10, 2016 @01:50AM (#12467890)
I don't think it's that complicated; more of a diff between two focus points from the lenses.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by coralreef on Saturday September 10, 2016 @03:41AM (#12468158)
did you see the presentation?
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by matwood on Saturday September 10, 2016 @10:30AM (#12469387)
Like this adapter?

https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-Wireless-Mobile-Adapter-Digital...

Many of the reviews say it is not very good, but I have not tried it personally.

Then there is Geo tagging.

https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-GP-1A-Unit-Cameras-27034/dp/B00...

Again, reviews are pretty poor.

Like I said, I love my DSLR, but the phone workflow is just so much easier/nicer.

Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by Mister_Snuggles on Saturday September 10, 2016 @12:33AM (#12467699)
Even if you are shooting JPG, you still have to move the SD card to the computer, find the file, then share it.

With a phone, you just tap the share button on the picture you just took, tap the icon for whatever you want to share it to and you're done.

Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by Sanddancer on Saturday September 10, 2016 @03:40AM (#12468156)
A growing number of cameras have wifi and/or bluetooth so you can just tap to share a picture.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by pjmlp on Saturday September 10, 2016 @02:40AM (#12467999)
Do you keep all your pictures that you ever took on your phone?

I surely don't and do exactly the same workflow with my phones as I do with my cameras.

Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by mnwg on Saturday September 10, 2016 @03:07AM (#12468072)
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by pjmlp on Saturday September 10, 2016 @03:17AM (#12468101)
Not people that care about privacy.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by mnwg on Saturday September 10, 2016 @04:19AM (#12468258)
We don't all have the same priorities.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by pjmlp on Saturday September 10, 2016 @06:18AM (#12468572)
Yeah, my pictures will only be seen by me and my circle of trust.

Other priorities might be ok to have their pictures known to the world.

Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by threeseed on Saturday September 10, 2016 @03:12AM (#12468087)
Funny you mention that.

I am moving all my photos from the last few decades into Photos/iCloud which will then appear on my phone.

Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by pjmlp on Saturday September 10, 2016 @03:20AM (#12468107)
While being available to the whole world to see, the next time an hacker attack success happens or any bored Apple employee decides to search for "interesting" pictures.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by rarepostinlurkr on Saturday September 10, 2016 @04:18AM (#12468256)
Please don't imply random employees have access to an iCloud users data. There is ample proof in security architecture documents posted by Apple that would indicate your comment is ridiculous.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by pjmlp on Saturday September 10, 2016 @06:17AM (#12468566)
My comment is based on real life experience on how companies of comparable size handle their security, specially in outsourced projects.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by threeseed on Saturday September 10, 2016 @03:09AM (#12468079)
iPhone isn't a competitor for DSLR.

It's a competitor for high end P&S e.g. Sony RX100 and mirrorless e.g. Fuji X100.

Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by whyenot on Friday September 09, 2016 @11:45PM (#12467581)
Nikon and Canon have also been stuck in a rut in recent years. Sony is coming out with all these new ideas (TLRs, the A7 series), while Canon and Nikon keep on churning out pretty much the same stuff they always have. Not only are they facing competition from smart phones, but on the higher end, Ricoh/Pentax now offers a full frame DSLR at 1/2 the price of similar Canon/Nikon models. The Pentax has some warts, but still, that's got to hurt Canon and Nikon a little.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by mahyarm on Saturday September 10, 2016 @12:14AM (#12467663)
I know pentax is trying to compete with the D800 level of SLR with their K-1, but the price is a few hundred more than the entry level nikon, canon & sony full frame cameras, and that is what they are competing with.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by whyenot on Saturday September 10, 2016 @01:06AM (#12467795)
The entry level Canon and Nikon FF cameras do not have most of the higher end features the K-1 has. It competes pretty well with D810 and has some features the D810 lacks such as a GPS, wifi, a screen that can be moved or flipped up and possibly most importantly, in-camera 5-axis image stabilization.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by petre on Saturday September 10, 2016 @12:27AM (#12467685)
Yet it has weather sealing, GPS, astrotracer, WiFi and other features that the entry level full frame offerings from Canon and Nikon don't. Sony has abandoned DSLRs in favour of mirrorless and fixed miror cameras.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by gaius on Saturday September 10, 2016 @07:00AM (#12468658)
Right, but no-one will switch because no-one wants to start their lens collection again.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by solatic on Saturday September 10, 2016 @04:01AM (#12468214)
Agreed on the workflow problem. The pain of using a DSLR has less to do with the form factor (size and weight) and more to do with the fact that the post-shot work is stuck a decade in the past.

And I think that's true even if you're a professional - as a professional, your shots should use your phone's cellular connection to upload the shots to Adobe Creative Cloud (or competing cloud) as you take them, so that when you open your machine to do post-processing work, your shots are all already there. Why should anybody be bothering with CF or SD cards anymore? Just store everything on your smartphone (did you hear the iPhone 7 will now have a 256 GB option?), which in and of itself is a buffer for your work before it gets transferred to the cloud.

Modular backs a la Moto Z are interesting because there's a lot of potential now for making "big glass" relevant again for prosumers. Make a modular back with a large sensor and a Micro Four-Thirds or F mount. The only real problem is getting OEMs to agree on a common standard that they would stick to for years, because nobody wants to spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on a camera back they won't be able to use next year when they upgrade their phone, and yes that's actually a really big problem, but leadership from Google (in the Nexus/Pixel lines) can really help here.

Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by wlesieutre on Friday September 09, 2016 @11:46PM (#12467588)
Don't forget about the Electronic Viewfinder Interchangable Lens cameras! Though "mirrorless" has caught on as a name more than EVILs.

I hear very good things about Sony's A6000 series and some Micro 4/3 cameras.

Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by paulddraper on Friday September 09, 2016 @11:41PM (#12467567)
Almost all DSLRs nowadays have wireless capabilities.

Transfer it to your phone and do whatever you would have done otherwise.

Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by krzyk on Saturday September 10, 2016 @01:58AM (#12467907)
Yeah, but I would like to move those to my Dropbox, so I can get access to those files on both my desktop as well as my phone, and do it automatically for all the photos, so I don't have to have another manual step to move those files.

Or at least just move those files to my desktop only. But what I see is that Canon doesn't allow that (copy all files in the background to e.g. an ftp server), it has to have a phone or some strange proprietary Canon app.

For me it beats the purpose of having a wifi in a DSLR, I might as well just use SD card it the photos are not moved automatically where I would like.

Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by paulddraper on Saturday September 10, 2016 @07:03PM (#12471276)
You're exaggerating. Wifi still adds a lot of convenience, even without your desired feature.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by whyenot on Friday September 09, 2016 @11:46PM (#12467585)
Most full frame DSLRs don't have wireless.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by ekianjo on Friday September 09, 2016 @11:49PM (#12467596)
Buy a sd card withwifi like the flashair and you are good to go.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by paulddraper on Friday September 09, 2016 @11:57PM (#12467620)
"Almost all" might have been exaggerating...but I maintain wireless DSLRs are common. At the very least, the option is available enough that anyone that cares about it can have it.

Random Google Search: of Techradar's top 10 list of full-frame DSLRs, 7 have Wi-Fi.

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/came...

Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by whyenot on Saturday September 10, 2016 @12:56AM (#12467764)
The cameras on the list you linked to with built in wifi are the Nikon D750, Nikon D5, Pentax K-1, Canon 6D. That's 4/10, which is better than I expected, but still pretty poor.
Re:With the iPhone 7, Apple Changed the Camera Industry by mozumder on Saturday September 10, 2016 @12:11AM (#12467650)
It's getting there, though.. give it a couple more years. Especially with things like Nikon's Snapbridge, which is very buggy right now, but the direction is right.