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Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by hoodwink on Friday August 12, 2016 @10:14PM (#12279914)
As a long-term ketogenic eater (10 years), here are my top simple tips. Unfortunately they were not gleaned using machine learning.

1. Watch your protein. Most people when first going keto will eat too much protein and not enough fat. Protein has an insulinogenic effect when eaten in quantity. Keep protein below 8 oz per meal. Don't be afraid to eat more fat.

2. Avoid cheese. Yes, it's technically low carb, but it repeatedly throws me and my girlfriend off (also a low carber).

3. Avoid nuts. Yes, like cheese, nuts are delicious. But they're a slippery slope. Life will be easier if you avoid them.

Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by johnward on Monday August 15, 2016 @09:22AM (#12290210)
Cheese is the only way I can stay on Keto. Nuts are good but in small amounts. It's way too easy to over eat nuts in calories and carbs. Especially since the better they taste, to me, the more sugar they have. I'm looking at you cashews.
Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by hrq on Friday August 12, 2016 @10:27PM (#12279957)
I've been trying to be low carb for the last couple years and I think it's overall gone well, but I really struggle with what to eat still.

I hear your points about protein, cheese, and nuts, but then what do you eat? Can you list out a few complete days of your meals?

Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by hoodwink on Friday August 12, 2016 @11:34PM (#12280125)
Breakfast: eggs + bacon or sausage or leftover steak

Lunch: salad and leftover protein (with oil, vinegar, and mustard dressing)

Dinner: meat, fish, or poultry (simply prepared) with roasted vegetables and salad

Snacks: coffee with butter and coconut oil, raw veggies, leftover meat

Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by Waterluvian on Friday August 12, 2016 @11:38PM (#12280144)
I want this so badly but I feel I'm set up to fail due to how much I hate vegetables. I just can't enjoy salads.

I wonder if the "this tastes awful" response will change as I move away from carbs?

Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by naasking on Sunday August 14, 2016 @01:14PM (#12286371)
Not all salads are equivalent. A mashed avocado kale salad is simply wicked:

http://www.food.com/recipe/kale-salad-with-avocado-for-two-4...

The avocado makes it really creamy and rich.

Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by WillPostForFood on Saturday August 13, 2016 @03:26AM (#12280621)
keep adding fat to your salad until you start to like it - bacon, cheese, eggs, olive oil. Then you can start to pull back on the fat a bit.
Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by thinline on Friday August 12, 2016 @10:31PM (#12279968)
Can you confirm that when you say 8 oz you're only referring to the amount of protein as opposed to the total weight of the food delivering the protein (meat, eggs, etc)?
Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by Tarrosion on Friday August 12, 2016 @10:41PM (#12279989)
Got to be the opposite. 8oz is ~240g and 240g of protein is ~1000 calories. For most people that's ~1/2 their daily caloric needs. If in one sitting you are getting half your daily calories from protein alone, something is wrong.
Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by thinline on Friday August 12, 2016 @11:07PM (#12280056)
Sorry, I _did_ mean the opposite.
Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by hoodwink on Friday August 12, 2016 @11:29PM (#12280111)
Sorry that was unclear. 8 oz of meat, fish, poultry, etc (before cooking), not 8 oz of protein itself. It's recommended to not eat more than 200 grams of protein per day on any diet.
Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by dyjakan on Saturday August 13, 2016 @04:38AM (#12280772)
> It's recommended to not eat more than 200 grams of protein per day on any diet.

Wat? Your protein intake depends strictly on your body's requirements.

Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by ceocoder on Friday August 12, 2016 @10:15PM (#12279917)
Apoligies, what is LCer?
Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by hoodwink on Friday August 12, 2016 @10:17PM (#12279920)
Low carber
Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by praneshp on Friday August 12, 2016 @10:17PM (#12279922)
Low Carb-er?
Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by Noseshine on Saturday August 13, 2016 @12:02AM (#12280212)
Have to disagree and vote for nuts and cheese.

I've never been really overweight, but still, even the slight problem I had is gone with the change of some eating habits. Mostly, a lot less carbs - I really don't need a bakery and I have to tell the Thai or Chinese waiter that I need only 10% of that huge load of rice (they always pack more rice than the rest - which already is a large amount).

Next to zero extra sugar (outside food items like fruit), no cake, no cookies. I don't need to, zero appetite for any of it. I don't even touch that honey jar in the corner any more. This is great for my teeth! (also according to the dentist, no sugar - no cavities, general rule). Always had trouble, now non, zero, with much less brushing.

I eat very high amounts of nut cream, which is just nuts but crushed to cream, expensive stuff but soooo tasty. A slice of toast, than add almost 1/3 jar of nut cream (mixed and/or cashew and/or almond white/brown and/or hazelnut) - so, really a lot - add quark (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark_%28dairy_product%29) and some (not too much) fresh fruit and some non-crushed nuts from varieties that I don't have as cream, like walnuts.

No problem at all with my weight, unlike years ago when I really had to watch myself and did a lot of sports and running, so it's not like I can eat anything I want.

Same with cheese, but it's very little hard cheese, and all of it is high quality. A lot of my cheese is from sheep and goats.

Lots of veggies - but always with some meat. Can't eat as much as I used to any more though, my body has settled on wanting only a little bit of it.

Also, I found it important to NOT cut the (easy) carbs completely! Some white bread or rice etc. is absolutely necessary. It's just not very much, not even a full slice of white bread for the nut breakfast, for example. I think the diet that tries to brute force you into eating nothing at all of that kind of food is too extreme.

I can't eat a lot of whole nuts though, only the cream works. Which is just mechanically different, there are zero add-ons in my (organic) nut cream purchases.

Oh and I get plenty of sleep too, I don't use an alarm clock. Advantage of working from home.

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About the link, this is just statistics. These days "machine learning" has replaced the word "statistics", and now everything is called that, it seems.

Re:Machine Learning and Ketosis by great_kraken on Sunday August 14, 2016 @11:31AM (#12285949)
> "is too extreme"

That sounds reasonable and all, but it isn't actually a scientific justification. If the nutritional theories behind a low carb diet are sound, then it would make no sense to introduce high-carb sources to mix in just to "be less extreme." Science shouldn't care about our superficial perceptions.