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Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by rdtsc on Tuesday August 02, 2016 @09:50PM (#12214990)
> had any happy content customers?

Not me. They got us a FIOS deal when we got our house. I used them for 2 years. Super fiber speed, except they would throttle youtube. So here I was paying to this supposedly superior quality and speed and getting throttled by them. So I dropped them and switched to a plain old cable provider (just for internet, we don't really watch tv anymore). Cut my costs more than half. On paper the speed is lower, however, the latency and lack of throttling for things like Youtube and other media is better.

Now since Verizon installed their equipment on our premises, they keep coming back every few months, in person -- as in they have someone drive out to our door, begging us to come back. They even offered to match the price we pay for cable currently (but it is always some stupid 2 year contract thing, that I know will go throught the roof when the time is passed).

Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by ec109685 on Tuesday August 02, 2016 @11:19PM (#12215336)
Do you have cites for throttling YouTube? That seems entirely terrible for retaining users.
Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by rdtsc on Tuesday August 02, 2016 @11:31PM (#12215379)
Other people apparently had (still have?) these issues:

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/youtube/CPW7r...

http://lifehacker.com/use-a-vpn-to-bypass-your-isps-throttli...

You can search for more. While it could be a coincidence that somehow after switching poviders Youtube fixed their servers at the same time and got faster, I'd have to believe it was because of Verizon.

Someone from a Verizon forum remember mentioned, defending them, it could have been Google not paying for peering with Verizon enough. But I consider that still Verizon's fault. I don't really care about the details, I was paying a hefty sum to Verizon for Internet connectivity and not getting it. However they setup their peering agreements is their problem, I pay to not have to know that.

Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by slv77 on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @09:59AM (#12217924)
Comcast and Verizion discovered they could use their monopoly position to sell both ends of the pipe.

Comcast I know went through and systematically shut down private interchanges with major content providers and also refused to upgrade public peering points. There were some peering points that we're seeing 10%+ packet loss. The result was terrible performance to any provider who didn't buy "internet access" from Comcast even when the only access that was needed was to Comcast's own customers.

A friend worked as a peering coordinator for a major content provider at the time and nobody had ever asked to be paid to deliver content to their own customers before. This created a standoff and I'm not sure how it ended but I believe the content providers caved.

Of course I'm pretty sure this is what was the spurred Google Fiber. One thing that Google seems really good at is to ensure that nobody can use their monopoly position to cut them off from the customer (Android, Chrome, Fiber).

Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by hexane360 on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @02:36PM (#12220320)
Yeah, Google is very good at vertical integration. Make sure it's competing a little in all areas.

http://insidertestprep.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Vertic...

Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by jballer on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @12:57AM (#12215686)
Time Warner Cable in NC throttled it for me. I was only able to watch YouTube in HD through my school's VPN. How backwards is that?
Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by tajen on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @03:09AM (#12216183)
I can watch YouTube in real time with little latency and no buffeting on 3G. Any landline not matching that is a scam.
Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by strider12 on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @08:31AM (#12217424)
Comcast throttled me. Basically in mid 2000's i paid about $60 for internet and no issues, then couple years ago i noticed severe throttling for youtube and other sites. Then I upgraded to their business class for about $110 a month for the same speeds and no throttling. They were playing games. It's BS.
Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by callalex on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @03:38PM (#12220853)
Using a VPN is a much cheaper solution with the same results, with the added bonus of less tracking from Comcast.
Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by ma2rten on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @07:32AM (#12217195)
Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by monkmartinez on Tuesday August 02, 2016 @11:38PM (#12215408)
Google "ISP throttle youtube"... it is not hard to imagine isp's doing this a few years ago. My perception of youtube buffering "all. the. time." wasn't that long ago. I am relatively certain Comcast was throttling at the time, but I don't think they are these days.
Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by rayiner on Tuesday August 02, 2016 @11:28PM (#12215371)
I've never noticed any throttling on YouTube (I've had FiOS in Baltimore and now in D.C.). I get a rock solid 140 mbps on Netflix's fast.com, even during primetime. 140/170 on speedtest.com.
Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by cmdrfred on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @12:23AM (#12215570)
150 meg connection in Philly here. 155 mbps steady from fast.com and speed test both directions over WiFi. Not a single outage in a year.
Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by dawnerd on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @01:14AM (#12215755)
anecdotal but when I had fios they were doing some odd routing for youtube which made it appear that they were throttling, when in reality it was likely a bad peering agreement.
Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by kpil on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @03:09AM (#12216184)
As a consumer you sort of pay to get access to YouTube, Netflix etc.

The money should flow from the carrier to the content providers, but they saw them initially as a nuisance and later as leechers, despite that they are essentially the product that the carriers are selling and getting paid for in the first place, and they are getting it for free.

Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by driverdan on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @10:00AM (#12217931)
I hate the "ISP X throttles Service Y" meme. It's not throttling, it's bad peering. Very different but the outcome is similar.
Re:Verizon: We Can't Become Dumb Pipes by spacemanmatt on Wednesday August 03, 2016 @12:06PM (#12218972)
Verizon is one of the ISPs that engaged/engages in intentional removal of peering connections. Netflix is a signature example of this.