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Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by honkhonkpants on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:13AM (#11991450)
As a matter of fact "more range" is quite the opposite of what I want from Bluetooth. Do I really need to have 5000 keyboards within range of my computer at the office, instead of the 100 I already have? I definitely do not.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by nowarninglabel on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:49AM (#11991554)
I'm currently wearing a heart monitoring device that communicates over Bluetooth and would greatly benefit from greater range. Which is to say, there's certainly a market for folks needing greater range.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by elementalest on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @01:23AM (#11991638)
What something like a heart monitor would need above anything else is reliability.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by diamondlovesyou on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:43AM (#11991916)
A monitor is not a life critical device, unless another critical device depends on the monitor's telemetry. Bluetooth is perfectly adequate in this case.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by the_watcher on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:29AM (#11991504)
Headphones are the big benefactor here, for me at least. I can walk to the kitchen with my wireless headphones.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by r0m4n0 on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:53AM (#11991949)
Agree, I look forward to the day I can leave my iPhone in a gym locker and work out with just headphones
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by TD-Linux on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:49AM (#11992147)
I'd highly recommend getting a tiny mp3 player (say Clip Zip, though they are now discontinued...) and a short light headphone cable. Why send audio wirelessly when the tech to play it is as small as the receiver?

There are also headphones with built in players, I don't know how the quality of those is though.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by icebraining on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:41AM (#11992309)
Why send audio wirelessly when the tech to play it is as small as the receiver?

Because you might want to stream audio from the Internet, or you don't want to waste time converting newer audio formats to MP3 and then copying them over, or you'd rather not have cables around you when you work out, or you might want to track what you've listen (particularly useful for audiobooks and long podcasts), etc.

Yes, these are not indispensable life necessities nor anything like that, but given the choice, I'd rather beam the audio from my tablet than carry an extra player.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by _puk on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:09AM (#11992397)
So you'd be happy with a Chromecast Audio receiver built into a set of headphones?
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by Normal_gaussian on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:50AM (#11992523)
Bluetooth headphones tend to have device volume control, play, pause, and skip. Many also have microphones and also allow to to take and make calls.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by justincc on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:57AM (#11992351)
Pretty much all the decent dedicated MP3 players have been discontinued. The last really great one for me was the Samsung's range (nee Yepp). But unfortunately the last one was the YP-U7 back in 2012 and it's very obvious they aren't going to make any more, even though they never announced it.

Sony still does players but they're not very good.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by pietro on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @09:20AM (#11993539)
You can still get iPods in all sizes and colors. They're pretty decent.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by ccozan on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:11AM (#11992409)
Care to elaborate on that? I find the Sony players deliver what they promise, especially the NW-A20 series.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by agumonkey on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @08:47AM (#11993304)
I hate wires with a passion. I don't what's wrong with me but I manage to tie, bust, wrap, tangle them in every most ridiculous possible wrong way all the time. I'm always sniping for multipairing mp3 capable headphones.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by supercoder on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:52AM (#11992336)
Because it's impossible to stream music, podcasts and take calls ?
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by josho on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @11:08AM (#11994341)
If you take calls at the gym then you are doing it wrong.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by Figs on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @07:06AM (#11992749)
Because cables get caught on things, tangled up, and are just generally annoying to deal with on your person.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by legulere on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:33AM (#11992075)
Aren't they often made out of metal and act like a faraday cage thus?
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by ascagnel_ on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @09:50AM (#11993745)
Typically, but not always. I've belonged to gyms that have had a metal mesh (along the lines of a stiffer chain-link fence), flat metal (like a high school locker), and wood cabinets for their lockers.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by tveita on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @09:00AM (#11993393)
If your gym has metal lockers I don't think it will happen any time soon.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by shurcooL on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:13AM (#11992002)
Would you be able to pause or control songs though?
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by gambiting on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:15AM (#11992009)
Sure, bluetooth had media controls for ages. I have a bluetooth waterproof speaker that I just take with me in the shower - and I leave my phone outside of the bathroom so it doesn't get wet. I can change songs and pause with buttons on the speaker, with the phone safely on the other side of the wall.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by bokenator on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:35AM (#11991517)
I've found that microwave interferes very strongly with Bluetooth headphones
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by thomaskcr on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:50AM (#11991558)
And bodies. Had to move my laptop dock to the other side of my desk when I switched headphones from a pair that had the transmitter in the left ear to the right.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by digi_owl on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:53AM (#11992341)
Yeah that is perhaps the most problematic aspect of Bluetooth. The radio interface is designed with the presumption of the signal bouncing off nearby surfaces. Thus it is sensitive to line of sight issues.

Mind you, i have also been able to connect to a USB dongle through solid wood walls, so mileage may vary.

Never mind that you can get two classes of radios, on top of the LE stuff. With each class having different transmission strengths.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by icebraining on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:52AM (#11992337)
Sacks of water will do that :)
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by digi_owl on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:54AM (#11992344)
Wet dogs can play havoc with wireless.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by pi-rat on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:58AM (#11992187)
Both use the 2.4 ghz spectrum, so that makes sense - especially for bad microwaves. I had an old microwave that completely tanked my 2.4 ghz Wifi back in the days (very poorly shielded).
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by dominicgs on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:16AM (#11992242)
I still do. The ability to stream music in my kitchen is the reason I bought a 5GHz router.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by kqr on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:19AM (#11991839)
Bluetooth is using the very same microwaves (much like wifi), so yes.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by BinaryIdiot on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:34AM (#11992083)
The problem though is the Sun will negatively affect Bluetooth range. If you're inside it's great and you can go into multiple rooms depending on the materials / wall thickness between you and the device. Once you go outside on a sunny day if the phone isn't directly in the line-of-sight (and even then) you'll get constant disconnects. Using multiple headsets / headphones and phones (including iPhone and multiple Androids) and I have yet to have one that DIDN'T do this.

More range may help thing. Well I can hope anyway.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by pi-rat on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:55AM (#11992173)
Sun affects bluetooth? How?

The only times I've trouble with BT outside is when tons of people or shops are nearby (overcrowded 2.4 ghz spectrum I assume - bt, wifi, etc)

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by jmiserez on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:42AM (#11992119)
The Sun affects the range? How and why, that doesn't make sense at all?
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by makomk on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:49AM (#11992325)
The Sun is quite a noisy radio transmitter across a very wide range of frequencies. Downside of having a big, hot unshielded fusion reactor in the sky.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by BinaryIdiot on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:51AM (#11992153)
> How and why, that doesn't make sense at all?

Not sure. I remember reading an article some time ago that stated the Sun's electromagnetic radiation could interfere with Bluetooth and it's always worked with my observations. I've used multiple Plantronics headsets, Motorola headphones and an off brand of headphones all with an iPhone 5S, iPhone 6+, Nexus 6P, Moto X and a Note 3 and in all of these devices they work great indoors and going outside on a sunny day it would break up (but cloudy always seemed to work better).

It's entirely possible this is some crazy bullshit but my observations are real. So if it ends up being that the Sun does NOT provide interfere then it must be SOMETHING. I just had this issue this past week when I was working outside and had to grab my wired headphones.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by digi_owl on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:58AM (#11992354)
Another, as likely, aspect, is that Bluetooth is designed around signals bouncing off surfaces. Try moving your phone from one side of the body to the other while outside. It may well be that your surroundings do not provide enough signal reflection. Keep in mind that most mobile bluetooth radios do not transmit with the same strength as wifi. Best i can tell, only USB dongles use a wifi equivalent radio class.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by BinaryIdiot on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:16PM (#11994969)
Interesting and sounds reasonable. I wonder if Bluetooth 5 will help in this regard.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by digi_owl on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:24PM (#11995046)
I guess it could be possible. But the thing about range is that is most often reported under ideal conditions. Meaning clear line of sight between antennas and little to no other transmissions in that frequency range.

And likely your best results will be if both devices are v5 devices.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by coldtea on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @06:34AM (#11992646)
>Once you go outside on a sunny day if the phone isn't directly in the line-of-sight (and even then) you'll get constant disconnects. Using multiple headsets / headphones and phones (including iPhone and multiple Androids) and I have yet to have one that DIDN'T do this.

Well, I've used wireless keyboards (Apple compact) and wireless headphones (Parrot Zik 2.0), and had zero disconnects under the hottest of Suns in several different countries.

What do you mean "line of sight"? How far were you? Was it behind some wall or something? With the iPad/phone on my pocket/bag I never had any issue.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by BinaryIdiot on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @11:22AM (#11994451)
> What do you mean "line of sight"? How far were you? Was it behind some wall or something? With the iPad/phone on my pocket/bag I never had any issue.

Basically if the BT hardware itself was on the right side of my head then my phone had to be in my right pocket or I'd get semi frequent disconnects outside. So not really line-of-sight in visual spectrum terms but I have had so many observations with so many bluetooth headsets and headphones and different phones that I always believed the original article I read a long time ago about sun interference (which, of course, I can't find today).

It could certainly be something else but I most certainly have reproducible issues with using bluetooth outside versus inside my house or even car.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by coldtea on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @11:42AM (#11994642)
No, shouldn't be related at all (with the Sun, as I've gotten fine connection in the sun, whether the side etc).

Sounds like it's more about some flimsy and/or underpowered BT headsets.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by Someone on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @11:31AM (#11994545)
Could be that it's not the sun being the problem, but not having walls. Inside, the radio waves can bounce of the walls, around your body. Outside, they have to go through your body.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by BinaryIdiot on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:16PM (#11994964)
Seems reasonable and would certainly explain my issues. I wonder if Bluetooth 5 will help that in any way.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by the_watcher on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @01:58PM (#12003347)
I have never had an issue in the sun with my phone in my pocket. Is that considered LOS?
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by vhost- on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:33AM (#11991511)
I need the range. I routinely grab my phone when I'm cooking dinner and walk to the living room causing my bluetooth speaker to make awful noises.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by cyphax on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:20AM (#11992028)
Is the bluetooth spec the limit though, or maybe the implementation? I can leave my phone on the table downstairs and my headphones still work fine in the attic, which is through 2 floors of reinforced concrete. I was very surprised to be able to do this, but kitchen-living room should be possible. Unless your kitchen is in the west wing, and your living room is a mile down the hall in the east wing in which case I'm envious of your living arrangement and understand the need for more range in the spec. ;)
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by abritinthebay on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:06AM (#11992212)
As it's 2.4ghz it may also be partially spectrum pollution.

That said - that seems rather impressive for Bluetooth, I've had one reinforced concrete wall pretty consistently screw up most bluetooth signals in my experience, so I'd posit that you're getting unusually good reception there.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by cyphax on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:46AM (#11992320)
I wonder what strength the radios broadcast on. I do have a 2.4GHz wifi-router both downstairs and in the attic so you would expect no signal at all, given the situation. I'll admit that by this point it's extremely sensitive to spectrum pollution; a nearby laptop with wifi on will mess with it enough that it starts stuttering. My only issue with bluetooth is with Android; it semi-randomly likes to change pitch and speed by a little [1]. Very noticeable if you listen to electronic music. Had it with my previous phone (Android M, CM) and now with my current phone (also Android M, stock) and different devices (headphones, car).

[1]https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=209473

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by abritinthebay on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @11:48AM (#11994695)
Yeah, anecdotal but every friend of mine that complains about BT does it in relation to their Android devices.

I've heard a couple of complaints about Macs but they're rare.

Seems the Android BT stack is just more... flaky. I wonder why...

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by digi_owl on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @08:49AM (#12001290)
Android 1.0 to 4.3 (iirc) used Bluez, an open source implementation related to Linux.

Come 4.4 Google partnered up with qualcomm (again iirc) to write a new stack from scratch.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by digi_owl on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:01AM (#11992367)
Iirc, there are multiple classes of bluetooth radio. And only one of them, that i have most often seen in the form of USB dongles, are wifi equivalent.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by freehunter on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:00PM (#11995965)
I am able to leave my phone in my office in the basement and walk upstairs to get a cup of coffee and stay on the call with my bluetooth headphones.

Then again, if I'm biking and my phone is in my right pocket and I turn my head to the left, the audio skips. So I don't know if I can blame than on range, but there's something odd going on there.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by digi_owl on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @08:54AM (#12001311)
The frequency range used, 2.4Ghz, is absorbed/blocked by water (rain, fog, leaves, wet dogs, human bodies, etc). Most mobile devices use a fairly weak transmitter both to save battery and because the distance between devices is expected to be short. On top of that, when indoors the signal may be bouncing off walls or other surfaces.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by Angostura on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:20AM (#11992256)
That's where a wifi speaker is good.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by roymurdock on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:53AM (#11991565)
The range increase is for distributed industrial network architectures, such as smart grids/cities. Bluetooth LE is aimed at long range, low power devices that are checking in with telemetry-type data every so often rather than pairing your phone and your keyboard to your computer.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by cbsmith on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @01:46AM (#11991720)
...which is what Zigbee should be addressing.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by wirelessfoobar on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:21AM (#11992032)
Phone manufacturers universally adopted Bluetooth as the standard wireless protocol for peripheral devices.

Zigbee and other 802.15.4 protocols will always be at a disadvantage even for tasks the Bluetooth protocol is not suited for. Bluetooth chips are cheap and more widely supported than anything else because Bluetooth radios are manufactured at massive scale for the phone market.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by cbsmith on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:32PM (#11996255)
The original poster was talking about scenarios with industrial devices and NOT for pairing with phones...
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by digi_owl on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @08:58AM (#12001330)
Bluetooth is already there, and if the same chip can be used in a phone or a button cell powered telemetry sensor, economies of scale kicks in.

And BTLE is specifically designed to work without the pairing dance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_low_energy

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by cbsmith on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @01:03PM (#12002972)
> Bluetooth is already there, and if the same chip can be used in a phone or a button cell powered telemetry sensor, economies of scale

Actually, for industrial applications, it's more likely to be Zigbee that is already there, and the economies of scale will favour it over BTLE (particularly when you consider Zigbee allows thousands of devices in a network, while BTLE can't even get to double digits). There's a ton of other advantages to Zigbee for industrial applications (not the least of which is resiliency).

Maybe you want a bluetooth bridge (though WiFi is probably very tempting for that purpose), but bluetooth is bad enough at doing its own job, let alone something else.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by mtgx on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:11AM (#11991803)
The main reason they are even increasing the range is for advertisers' rather than users' sake. They want advertisers to be able to "push" ads to people at a longer range.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by thinkMOAR on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @06:16AM (#11992585)
Depends on your goal :) if you want to listen in on 5000 different keyboards, then the range extension is quite welcome.

Though personally i don't either.