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Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by the_watcher on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:29AM (#11991504)
Headphones are the big benefactor here, for me at least. I can walk to the kitchen with my wireless headphones.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by r0m4n0 on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:53AM (#11991949)
Agree, I look forward to the day I can leave my iPhone in a gym locker and work out with just headphones
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by TD-Linux on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:49AM (#11992147)
I'd highly recommend getting a tiny mp3 player (say Clip Zip, though they are now discontinued...) and a short light headphone cable. Why send audio wirelessly when the tech to play it is as small as the receiver?

There are also headphones with built in players, I don't know how the quality of those is though.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by icebraining on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:41AM (#11992309)
Why send audio wirelessly when the tech to play it is as small as the receiver?

Because you might want to stream audio from the Internet, or you don't want to waste time converting newer audio formats to MP3 and then copying them over, or you'd rather not have cables around you when you work out, or you might want to track what you've listen (particularly useful for audiobooks and long podcasts), etc.

Yes, these are not indispensable life necessities nor anything like that, but given the choice, I'd rather beam the audio from my tablet than carry an extra player.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by _puk on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:09AM (#11992397)
So you'd be happy with a Chromecast Audio receiver built into a set of headphones?
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by Normal_gaussian on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:50AM (#11992523)
Bluetooth headphones tend to have device volume control, play, pause, and skip. Many also have microphones and also allow to to take and make calls.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by justincc on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:57AM (#11992351)
Pretty much all the decent dedicated MP3 players have been discontinued. The last really great one for me was the Samsung's range (nee Yepp). But unfortunately the last one was the YP-U7 back in 2012 and it's very obvious they aren't going to make any more, even though they never announced it.

Sony still does players but they're not very good.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by pietro on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @09:20AM (#11993539)
You can still get iPods in all sizes and colors. They're pretty decent.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by ccozan on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:11AM (#11992409)
Care to elaborate on that? I find the Sony players deliver what they promise, especially the NW-A20 series.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by agumonkey on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @08:47AM (#11993304)
I hate wires with a passion. I don't what's wrong with me but I manage to tie, bust, wrap, tangle them in every most ridiculous possible wrong way all the time. I'm always sniping for multipairing mp3 capable headphones.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by supercoder on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:52AM (#11992336)
Because it's impossible to stream music, podcasts and take calls ?
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by josho on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @11:08AM (#11994341)
If you take calls at the gym then you are doing it wrong.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by Figs on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @07:06AM (#11992749)
Because cables get caught on things, tangled up, and are just generally annoying to deal with on your person.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by legulere on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:33AM (#11992075)
Aren't they often made out of metal and act like a faraday cage thus?
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by ascagnel_ on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @09:50AM (#11993745)
Typically, but not always. I've belonged to gyms that have had a metal mesh (along the lines of a stiffer chain-link fence), flat metal (like a high school locker), and wood cabinets for their lockers.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by tveita on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @09:00AM (#11993393)
If your gym has metal lockers I don't think it will happen any time soon.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by shurcooL on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:13AM (#11992002)
Would you be able to pause or control songs though?
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by gambiting on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:15AM (#11992009)
Sure, bluetooth had media controls for ages. I have a bluetooth waterproof speaker that I just take with me in the shower - and I leave my phone outside of the bathroom so it doesn't get wet. I can change songs and pause with buttons on the speaker, with the phone safely on the other side of the wall.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by bokenator on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:35AM (#11991517)
I've found that microwave interferes very strongly with Bluetooth headphones
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by thomaskcr on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:50AM (#11991558)
And bodies. Had to move my laptop dock to the other side of my desk when I switched headphones from a pair that had the transmitter in the left ear to the right.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by digi_owl on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:53AM (#11992341)
Yeah that is perhaps the most problematic aspect of Bluetooth. The radio interface is designed with the presumption of the signal bouncing off nearby surfaces. Thus it is sensitive to line of sight issues.

Mind you, i have also been able to connect to a USB dongle through solid wood walls, so mileage may vary.

Never mind that you can get two classes of radios, on top of the LE stuff. With each class having different transmission strengths.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by icebraining on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:52AM (#11992337)
Sacks of water will do that :)
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by digi_owl on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:54AM (#11992344)
Wet dogs can play havoc with wireless.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by pi-rat on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:58AM (#11992187)
Both use the 2.4 ghz spectrum, so that makes sense - especially for bad microwaves. I had an old microwave that completely tanked my 2.4 ghz Wifi back in the days (very poorly shielded).
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by dominicgs on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:16AM (#11992242)
I still do. The ability to stream music in my kitchen is the reason I bought a 5GHz router.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by kqr on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:19AM (#11991839)
Bluetooth is using the very same microwaves (much like wifi), so yes.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by BinaryIdiot on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:34AM (#11992083)
The problem though is the Sun will negatively affect Bluetooth range. If you're inside it's great and you can go into multiple rooms depending on the materials / wall thickness between you and the device. Once you go outside on a sunny day if the phone isn't directly in the line-of-sight (and even then) you'll get constant disconnects. Using multiple headsets / headphones and phones (including iPhone and multiple Androids) and I have yet to have one that DIDN'T do this.

More range may help thing. Well I can hope anyway.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by pi-rat on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:55AM (#11992173)
Sun affects bluetooth? How?

The only times I've trouble with BT outside is when tons of people or shops are nearby (overcrowded 2.4 ghz spectrum I assume - bt, wifi, etc)

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by jmiserez on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:42AM (#11992119)
The Sun affects the range? How and why, that doesn't make sense at all?
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by makomk on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:49AM (#11992325)
The Sun is quite a noisy radio transmitter across a very wide range of frequencies. Downside of having a big, hot unshielded fusion reactor in the sky.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by BinaryIdiot on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:51AM (#11992153)
> How and why, that doesn't make sense at all?

Not sure. I remember reading an article some time ago that stated the Sun's electromagnetic radiation could interfere with Bluetooth and it's always worked with my observations. I've used multiple Plantronics headsets, Motorola headphones and an off brand of headphones all with an iPhone 5S, iPhone 6+, Nexus 6P, Moto X and a Note 3 and in all of these devices they work great indoors and going outside on a sunny day it would break up (but cloudy always seemed to work better).

It's entirely possible this is some crazy bullshit but my observations are real. So if it ends up being that the Sun does NOT provide interfere then it must be SOMETHING. I just had this issue this past week when I was working outside and had to grab my wired headphones.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by digi_owl on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:58AM (#11992354)
Another, as likely, aspect, is that Bluetooth is designed around signals bouncing off surfaces. Try moving your phone from one side of the body to the other while outside. It may well be that your surroundings do not provide enough signal reflection. Keep in mind that most mobile bluetooth radios do not transmit with the same strength as wifi. Best i can tell, only USB dongles use a wifi equivalent radio class.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by BinaryIdiot on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:16PM (#11994969)
Interesting and sounds reasonable. I wonder if Bluetooth 5 will help in this regard.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by digi_owl on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:24PM (#11995046)
I guess it could be possible. But the thing about range is that is most often reported under ideal conditions. Meaning clear line of sight between antennas and little to no other transmissions in that frequency range.

And likely your best results will be if both devices are v5 devices.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by coldtea on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @06:34AM (#11992646)
>Once you go outside on a sunny day if the phone isn't directly in the line-of-sight (and even then) you'll get constant disconnects. Using multiple headsets / headphones and phones (including iPhone and multiple Androids) and I have yet to have one that DIDN'T do this.

Well, I've used wireless keyboards (Apple compact) and wireless headphones (Parrot Zik 2.0), and had zero disconnects under the hottest of Suns in several different countries.

What do you mean "line of sight"? How far were you? Was it behind some wall or something? With the iPad/phone on my pocket/bag I never had any issue.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by BinaryIdiot on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @11:22AM (#11994451)
> What do you mean "line of sight"? How far were you? Was it behind some wall or something? With the iPad/phone on my pocket/bag I never had any issue.

Basically if the BT hardware itself was on the right side of my head then my phone had to be in my right pocket or I'd get semi frequent disconnects outside. So not really line-of-sight in visual spectrum terms but I have had so many observations with so many bluetooth headsets and headphones and different phones that I always believed the original article I read a long time ago about sun interference (which, of course, I can't find today).

It could certainly be something else but I most certainly have reproducible issues with using bluetooth outside versus inside my house or even car.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by coldtea on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @11:42AM (#11994642)
No, shouldn't be related at all (with the Sun, as I've gotten fine connection in the sun, whether the side etc).

Sounds like it's more about some flimsy and/or underpowered BT headsets.

Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by Someone on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @11:31AM (#11994545)
Could be that it's not the sun being the problem, but not having walls. Inside, the radio waves can bounce of the walls, around your body. Outside, they have to go through your body.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by BinaryIdiot on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @12:16PM (#11994964)
Seems reasonable and would certainly explain my issues. I wonder if Bluetooth 5 will help that in any way.
Re:Bluetooth 5 will quadruple the range, double the speed by the_watcher on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @01:58PM (#12003347)
I have never had an issue in the sun with my phone in my pocket. Is that considered LOS?