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Re:UK votes to leave EU by kofejnik on Friday June 24, 2016 @04:53AM (#11967986)
Russia is a schoolyard bully and should be treated as such
Re:UK votes to leave EU by TeMPOraL on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:13AM (#11968090)
A less sophisticated schoolyard bully than the US, but otherwise pretty much the same. It would actually make sense for Europe to make friends with Russia; they're, after all, kind of closer (geographically and culturally), and on the same slab of land.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by bad_user on Friday June 24, 2016 @07:52AM (#11969014)
Russia has been "sharing" culture with Romania and other eastern countries for decades during USSR. No, we do not have the same culture and we do not share the same values.

Friends you say? Oh, that's rich. Maybe when they give us back our national treasure, along with Basarabia and Northen Bukovina, which they took with the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and apologize for crushing the national identity of those regions, for starving them to death and for the mass deportations and killings, maybe then we can be friends.

But that will never happen, especially given its leadership. So until hell freezes over, they can go fuck themselves.

Re:UK votes to leave EU by TeMPOraL on Friday June 24, 2016 @08:18AM (#11969146)
I see the point, but to be honest, many European countries (my own included) suffered greatly under Nazi Germany - including mass deportations and killings (but maybe sans the starving part), and yet we've forgiven the Germans. Sure, the USSR times were more recent than II WW, but I hope in years people learn to forgive Russia for the soviet times too. Keeping an "eye for an eye" attitude can get you only so far, and it's better to be friendly and work towards ensuring atrocities such like these don't happen again.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by varjag on Friday June 24, 2016 @08:45AM (#11969342)
Germans went to apologize and pay retributions. Also considerable soul seeking that lasts many decades now.

Russians (there are exceptions certainly, but statistically) are proud for the oppression they did upon the neighbours and cherish it as their golden years and action plan ahead.

Re:UK votes to leave EU by qaq on Friday June 24, 2016 @11:08PM (#11975010)
You do realise that in modern Russia Stalin is considered a hero and role model?
Re:UK votes to leave EU by yurish on Saturday June 25, 2016 @03:50AM (#11975604)
Lie. For most people in Russia Stalin is just a figure of USSR past that they do not care much about. Few people which try to bring Stalin do not have wide support and they do not make your words true.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by kofejnik on Saturday June 25, 2016 @05:42AM (#11975785)
Lie. Stalin is openly revered as an example of real leadership.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by yurish on Saturday June 25, 2016 @02:06PM (#11977280)
Proofs?
Re:UK votes to leave EU by kofejnik on Saturday June 25, 2016 @05:44AM (#11975789)
There's forgiveness and then there's stupid ignorance. Germans apologized and changed their ways. Russia did not.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by fsloth on Friday June 24, 2016 @03:23PM (#11972665)
Not the same. Both aim to project geopolitical power, sure, but US still a political entity in the western tradition where totalitarian rulers are not accepted, and Russia is of the eastern tradition where total rulers are admired and loved. Most of europe falls to the western category (roughly). There is a east/west divide in political sensibilities, it's as old as antiquity, I don't know where it's coming from, but it's a real effect.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by jacquesm on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:52AM (#11968285)
No, that would not make sense at all. Russia is run by an entirely different play-book than the rest of the EU.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by agumonkey on Friday June 24, 2016 @06:50AM (#11968657)
There's a gradient of sophistication between western and eastern. Seems to me that Westerners like to hide things under the logic and courtlaw rug while easterners are more crude in how they express painful issues. For the East, West is devious, to the West, East is barbarian.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by kofejnik on Friday June 24, 2016 @05:59AM (#11968327)
not the same at all, US hasn't annexed territories from its neighbours for 150 years now
Re:UK votes to leave EU by TeMPOraL on Friday June 24, 2016 @06:06AM (#11968388)
No, but they bombed the shit out of several countries in the last 15 years.

Also, both US and Russia do more bullying on the economic level anyway.

Re:UK votes to leave EU by kofejnik on Saturday June 25, 2016 @05:50AM (#11975802)
There's a very simple real world test - Korea. Russia created North Korea, US created South Korea. So ask any other developing country - who would they rather be allies with?
Re:UK votes to leave EU by konart on Friday June 24, 2016 @06:29AM (#11968538)
So bombing the hell off the Iraq (for exmaple) is okay as long you are not grabbing the land?

Like you can kill 300000 people and everyone is okay as long as the territory is whole.

This is the most dumb thing I've read in this thread.

Re:UK votes to leave EU by kofejnik on Saturday June 25, 2016 @05:47AM (#11975795)
now russkies are bombing the hell out of Syria, do you like it better?
Re:UK votes to leave EU by konart on Thursday June 30, 2016 @12:36PM (#12009721)
No, but we do this after we were asked by the legit government and according to international law. While the US did that out of their own whim, even when UN said clear "NO".
Re:UK votes to leave EU by TeMPOraL on Saturday June 25, 2016 @06:39AM (#11975896)
Wait. Last time I checked it was the US which was bombing the hell out of Syria while claiming to fight against ISIS. Russkies are actually supporting the legitimate Syrian government, also saying they fight against ISIS.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by vacri on Saturday June 25, 2016 @05:15AM (#11975740)
Apart from the Spanish-American war, of course.
Re:UK votes to leave EU by kofejnik on Saturday June 25, 2016 @05:45AM (#11975791)
right, I stand corrected, 118 years