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Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by michaelpinto on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @02:56AM (#11626680)
This blew me away:

"Venture capitalist Michael Cardamone, the tournament’s co-organizer, approves of young companies buying tables with venture funds. “You absolutely should,” he says. “It’s part of building culture.”"

Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by jychang on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:05AM (#11626706)
It makes sense in terms of cost to benefit. A ping pong table is a few hundred dollars at most. An employee performing well is $100,000 at minimum.

Little things like free food and ping pong tables actually offer a massive return on investment.

Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by cylinder on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @04:22AM (#11626965)
Who are these people who play ping pong during work hours? I want to finish my work and go home. If I have a break, I want to go outside and get some sun and air because I hate being inside all day. I'm not looking for a frat.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by hfaran on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @05:36AM (#11627215)
Likely people who enjoy taking a break at some point during the day and also enjoy playing ping pong? I don't see how going outside to "get some sun" is objectively any better in general.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by gambiting on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @04:35AM (#11627011)
Hmmmmm I work at a large games publisher, and it's normal that everyone plays games during lunch(1 hour lunch is normal). I usually have 30 minutes for food then play something for the other 30 minutes(currently trying to get through Dark Souls 3). I guess it's the same with ping-pong or any other in-office activity.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by toomanybeersies on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @09:45AM (#11628262)
My attitude to a T. My workplace is for working, it's not a playhouse.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by dabeeeenster on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:13AM (#11626732)
In London a Ping Pong table would cost around £10k/year in floorspace used.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by runholm on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:27AM (#11626775)
A company often spend some floor space on areas where employees can take a break from work to disconnect for a few minutes. Why not put a ping pong table there?
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by jon-wood on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:33AM (#11626803)
Because it then stops being a space where people can take a break, and becomes a space where two people are playing ping pong, with everyone else crammed along the wall.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by jonnathanson on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @09:02AM (#11627993)
"Little things like free food and ping pong tables actually offer a massive return on investment."

Yes, provided everything else about the company is working. People are productive. The product is showing signs of fit. People believe in the founder(s)' vision and in the CEO's direction. Under these circumstances, things like ping pong tables and free meals can offer amazing ROI.

But when your first few business moves are shopping for fancy digs and filling the space with ping pong tables, your priorities are questionable. Morale can't be bought with trinkets. Morale is earned with a strong sense of collective mission and product traction. The rest is icing on the cake.

This distinction is often lost on people, who rush off to buy foosball tables as though the mere presence of such will trick employees into being happy and productive. It's a very '90s attitude: "People want to work for a startup that looks startupy." Well, sure. But the best people want to work for a startup that has a real shot at success, first and foremost.

Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by bnegreve on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:18AM (#11626751)
Only if having a ping pong table (or free food) improve productivity.

That's a rather strong assumption.

Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by zeemonkee3 on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @04:22AM (#11626964)
Agreed:

1) Playtime is for after hours, with friends and family. Ping pong's a fun game but it's noisy and disruptive when you're trying to get work done.

2) Don't care about your free food, I have a strict diet and don't usually eat lunch. Ditto free booze which is frankly a dumb idea (see 1). Free non-alcholic drinks is fine.

Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by toomanybeersies on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @09:46AM (#11628269)
Free booze during meetings is a great in my opinion, makes them tolerable.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by jonathankoren on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @04:00AM (#11626882)
Free food is also a recruitment tool. All things being equal, I'll go with the free food place. It's at least $2500 a year to buy lunch.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by mbbean on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @04:21AM (#11626960)
It's also a tax break in the UK. An employee and the employer aren't taxed on the provision of food but would be taxed on a bonus, so you can offer what amounts to £x worth of free food per year rather than (or in addition to) a cash bonus.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by duaneb on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:27AM (#11626776)
Is it? Employee retention certainly has strong correlation with productivity.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by fintuple on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:49AM (#11626851)
It's certainly not linear, though; I think it will be interesting to see what's better in the long run. It's obviously impossible to measure, due to unpredictable factors such as changes in industry and market and competition.

As a whole, though, I think people, especially in our industry, aren't stupid. Free food would certainly be a more competitive retention factor (than ping pong) -- barring that your company's biggest competitors in terms of hiring aren't also offering free food.

Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by zeemonkee3 on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @04:29AM (#11626989)
Personally, a decent salary & benefits, interesting projects, learning opportunities and sane management would keep me in your company for life.

But, given these things are so difficult to deliver on, let's just throw them kids' games, energy bars and craft beer on tap.

Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by lmm on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @05:49AM (#11627257)
It's not like having B makes A harder.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by zeemonkee3 on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @07:39AM (#11627618)
No, but it's when they are used as substitutes.

"Hey, we have a dysfunctional CEO, a runway shorter than the one at Hong Kong airport, and a legacy codebase that reduces the most experienced developer to a gibbering wreck. But look - we have foosball and whiskey tasting nights!"

Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by duaneb on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @11:23AM (#11628986)
Ok, so I agree with you that ping pong isn't a replacement for a salary, benefits, or interesting problems. I'm also sure this is a straw man.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by zeemonkee3 on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @11:46AM (#11629151)
Sure, it's a semi-facetious example. But I'm suspicious of job ads that mention things like foosball tables or climbing walls and other such frivolities - it suggests either a juvenile working environment or that the company has to provide gimmicks to entice people to work there because it doesn't have anything solid to offer.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by lmm on Thursday May 05, 2016 @03:58AM (#11634579)
The ROI on those "gimmicks" is huge - to my mind it's the company that wouldn't spend a small amount of money on something fun that's suspicious. That suggests a company that's more bothered about appearances/"professionalism" than just getting on with things.

Juvenile, shrug - I guess I like a juvenile working environment.

Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by joelrunyon on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:09AM (#11626718)
From the article

> Startups pay up to $2,300 for a high-end Butterfly-brand table.

Your point stands, but the pricing is quite different.

Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by duaneb on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:28AM (#11626783)
The quote makes it clear that's the upper bound, which doesn't offer any information about the rest of the purchases, let alone the mean.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by jon-wood on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:23AM (#11626764)
Its part of building a culture certainly. Believe it or not its possible to build a company culture around things other than ping pong though - the last company I was at had a culture that revolved around food, cooking, and eating together for example (they do food delivery). Probably not as good for my waistline, but it definitely brought everyone together.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by golergka on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @04:12AM (#11626927)
In my current company, ping pong table is the strongest day-by-day teambuilding activity — something that different team members do together, not related to work, something that builds positive relationships between anyone. Most of interactions with some people in the company are intense and have potential for conflict (just because our respective roles), and ping pong offers us a chance to have a different kind of interaction.

In previous company, it was a pool table and game room with Rocket League. In one before that, foosball. Regardless of the game, having some game that is played regularly by coworkers together really helps to build positive relationships and create a team. Definitely worth investor's money.

Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by TrevorJ on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @02:20PM (#11630430)
That's cargo cult thinking if I've ever heard it.