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Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by bnegreve on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:18AM (#11626751)
Only if having a ping pong table (or free food) improve productivity.

That's a rather strong assumption.

Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by zeemonkee3 on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @04:22AM (#11626964)
Agreed:

1) Playtime is for after hours, with friends and family. Ping pong's a fun game but it's noisy and disruptive when you're trying to get work done.

2) Don't care about your free food, I have a strict diet and don't usually eat lunch. Ditto free booze which is frankly a dumb idea (see 1). Free non-alcholic drinks is fine.

Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by toomanybeersies on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @09:46AM (#11628269)
Free booze during meetings is a great in my opinion, makes them tolerable.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by jonathankoren on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @04:00AM (#11626882)
Free food is also a recruitment tool. All things being equal, I'll go with the free food place. It's at least $2500 a year to buy lunch.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by mbbean on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @04:21AM (#11626960)
It's also a tax break in the UK. An employee and the employer aren't taxed on the provision of food but would be taxed on a bonus, so you can offer what amounts to £x worth of free food per year rather than (or in addition to) a cash bonus.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by duaneb on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:27AM (#11626776)
Is it? Employee retention certainly has strong correlation with productivity.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by fintuple on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @03:49AM (#11626851)
It's certainly not linear, though; I think it will be interesting to see what's better in the long run. It's obviously impossible to measure, due to unpredictable factors such as changes in industry and market and competition.

As a whole, though, I think people, especially in our industry, aren't stupid. Free food would certainly be a more competitive retention factor (than ping pong) -- barring that your company's biggest competitors in terms of hiring aren't also offering free food.

Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by zeemonkee3 on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @04:29AM (#11626989)
Personally, a decent salary & benefits, interesting projects, learning opportunities and sane management would keep me in your company for life.

But, given these things are so difficult to deliver on, let's just throw them kids' games, energy bars and craft beer on tap.

Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by lmm on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @05:49AM (#11627257)
It's not like having B makes A harder.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by zeemonkee3 on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @07:39AM (#11627618)
No, but it's when they are used as substitutes.

"Hey, we have a dysfunctional CEO, a runway shorter than the one at Hong Kong airport, and a legacy codebase that reduces the most experienced developer to a gibbering wreck. But look - we have foosball and whiskey tasting nights!"

Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by duaneb on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @11:23AM (#11628986)
Ok, so I agree with you that ping pong isn't a replacement for a salary, benefits, or interesting problems. I'm also sure this is a straw man.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by zeemonkee3 on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @11:46AM (#11629151)
Sure, it's a semi-facetious example. But I'm suspicious of job ads that mention things like foosball tables or climbing walls and other such frivolities - it suggests either a juvenile working environment or that the company has to provide gimmicks to entice people to work there because it doesn't have anything solid to offer.
Re:Is the tech bubble popping? Ping pong offers an answer by lmm on Thursday May 05, 2016 @03:58AM (#11634579)
The ROI on those "gimmicks" is huge - to my mind it's the company that wouldn't spend a small amount of money on something fun that's suspicious. That suggests a company that's more bothered about appearances/"professionalism" than just getting on with things.

Juvenile, shrug - I guess I like a juvenile working environment.