Do we really need to discuss every github drama here?

You should flag stories like this. Lots of users did, which is what buried it.

If there were fewer comments, the software would have killed it as well (i.e. closed it to comments and made it visible only to users with 'showdead' turned on in their profile). But we don't do that to ongoing active discussions.

Yes.

But we don't need to read every github drama here.

So much love there! Thanks guys!

We were investigating the issue from another thread. And after, we took the time to contact interested parties (gcloud and Voxer's native crc maintainers). Props to them for their quick responses.

The issue that triggered the rant was closed as it was a clear duplicate from that earlier issue

We've opened another issue to centralize the logs in a civil way. And from investigation, that seems to be an AWS elastic beanstalk toolchain problem when they force an npm rebuild.

So we're kinda stuck there. If anyone has ideas I'm willing to explore!

Respect to you man! :bow:

I maintain some open source projects and I do make mistakes sometimes. But if anyone uses foul language, I simply do not respond to them.

The collaborators in this issue (@flovilmart and @hramos) have way, way more patience than I would have had. Props to them.

That said, why wouldn't they use a software implementation of CRC32? Is it really that big a bottleneck for them?

The CRC32 dep is from Google, not parse.

Having a native code dependency in a Node package DOES seem pretty insane to me though, unless absolutely forced. I'm surprised Google would do that.

Elitism at it's best. Sheesh. There's about a thousand different ways this guy could have made his complaint known without raging like that.

Worst? I find my elitism is much better communicated snidely and with brevity. That person is just a boor. flovilmart shows himself to be a cool cucumber, he never took the bait once (which is what this person wanted.)

I'm not sure it's elitism. I think tenshihan is expressing himself this way because he's so frustrated with the ecosystem. To add insult to injury, hramos did close the ticket. Just bam closed the ticket. That's lost critical information if not acted upon, especially when it's a critical blocker.

I wouldn't even call this elitism. Elitism implies the person is superior to others. The guy is clearly the most novice and unprofessional person in the thread.

Seriously, who is going to want to become a better coder if that's how the self-proclaimed to programmers inform others?

To be honest, encountering this kind of crap at work is making me want to quit the industry. (I've been in it for 15 years)

This is about the level of professionalism I'd expect from a guy with a Dragon Ball Z handle.

(Yes, I'm aware of the irony, given my own handle.)

And a LoL (I think) victory screen for an avatar. For those who don't play these games LoL has a reputation for being... significantly less kind than even the already low baseline for online games.

As for most DB character, tenshinhan is first and foremost the name of a kind of food. A Chinese dish popular in Japan :

https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=tenshinhan&safe=off&client...

Lol! Thank you for this.

Despite his rude tone he's got a point, perhaps he'd be taken seriously had he approached it in a civil manner.

What is his point exactly, when it's an upstream project (gcloud) that is broken?

Yeah, I have to wonder if he was up against a deadline and this was the last straw. Better than putting rounds into coworkers. I respect how gracefully the other guy handled it.

Respect for flovilmart for responding like he did. The other guy is clearly having a bad day and flovilmart just keeps his cool.

I saw one of the other issues that this user spammed the repo with[0] and it said they'd tweeted the issue. Following that trail I found their twitter account[1] where they just seem to be either a hateful person or someone with a mental illness.

[0] https://github.com/ParsePlatform/parse-server/issues/1329 [1] https://twitter.com/WhyBernieWhy/with_replies

Stuff like this drives people away from open source. Abuse and putting people down are not needed when you're not paying for something that you boast you could fix. Pull requests are a thing.

Massive respect to the maintainers of this project for staying civil. This guy needs to learn a thing or two about decent human interaction.

April ... fools? :|

That would make the most sense

I can maybe understand rage-posting once, in a momentary weakness, but man, this guy just can't put it down and go for a coffee or a smoke…

maybe he's in the middle of giving up the smokes?

I believe you've hit the nail on the head.

The comments are so abrasive and tone deaf that it almost seems like this is certainly more of an instance of trolling than actual technical discussion.

As much as I wish the above statement was true, I have run into folks on Github and in my professional life who think something like this constitutes intelligent reasoning. This is what scares people away from open source...

Unfortunately rude tone and elitism with it like this seems acceptable in some circles as a sign of intelligence.

It's just bullying by geeks, because they can't push people around like jocks. You bully with what you got.

I want more specific explanations on this if you would

Well, for some people being right is the only thing that matters. People already mentionned Linus Torvalds, I somehow like reading his rants about devs pushing things after freeze and stuff. If you read the github issue, tenshihan seemed to talk to a wall before yelding to drama (funny thing is, people were more concerned because of the drama)

props to flovilmart for trying to take the high road at least.

And then the same user created a new duplicate issue: https://github.com/ParsePlatform/parse-server/issues/1330

This is the world we live in, always more aggressiveness. Let me put it straight: nothing can justify this kind of verbal assault. This is another human being you're speaking to.

Does anyone knows who @tenshihan [1] is ?

1 : https://github.com/tenshihan

It's a Dragon Ball Z reference, apparently, so you won't have any luck finding the real user.

His Twitter account was posted above.

Move along, nothing to see here, just an asshole.

Linus Torvalds himself has been and remains an asshole and would have responded very similarly. Demanding politeness is a form of censorship. Notice how all the previous commenters mostly ignore the very valid issue raised simply due to the presentation of the idea. The guy raised a huge issue and was not being taken seriously.

> The guy raised a huge issue and was not being taken seriously.

He raised the issue in the wrong project, showing that he didn't fully understand the issue at hand. That contrasts heavily with his indignation and self-proclaimed superior programming chops

I don't see anyone "demanding politeness" - I see people expecting professionalism.

"Professionalism" is a way of acting, speaking, and behaving so as to be non-offensive. Professionalism is the definition of the problem here. He was quite the professional coder ( in terms of compentency pointing out the issue) but not his language. Demanding professionalism is a just a way of demanding he self censor.

No, it's a condition of continued voluntary cooperation.

If you yell at me and call me an asshole, I'm not going to work with you. That's not censorship, either - it's free association.

Nobody demanded anything of him - they just chose to ignore someone that, frankly, sounds like a 12 years old troll more than a competent individual trying to point out an important issue.

He wants people to pay attention to him and his issue. The burden is on him to put it in terms that people will want to pay attention to. If he doesn't want to, that's his right. But no one has an obligation to read his rants, and he has no right to expect more respect than he's showing.

And from experience, ignoring him is the right call. This kind of drama queen, however competent, usually ends up causing more problems than they identify or help solve.

Yeah I've got to say it seriously annoys me when I go to the trouble of contributing a bug (yes it is a form of project contribution) and it just gets summarily closed without word of a fix. He flew off the handle but he had a right to be annoyed - just the magnitude of his expression was off by a few degrees.

"right to be annoyed", whatever that means

Okay I didn't mean it in the civil liberties sense. Could more accurately be written "I sympathise with his annoyance".

you're an idiot

Is it still April 1st? Another lunatic oss contributor being a total lunatic. Move along...

Not even a contributor, just someone who uses the software.