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Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by terryf on Sunday March 13, 2016 @02:17PM (#11278703)
I realise that they're probably just covering their asses, but it really sucks to live in a small country that none of the distributors care about.

The Estonian netflix catalogue is on the order of 500? titles... ridiculous compared to the US catalogue. In the US you have "watch on amazon prime" buttons in imdb. In Estonia, no such luck.

Essentially, there is no legal way at all to watch the vast majority of movies here. And people wonder why piracy happens a lot around here...

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by kyriakos on Sunday March 13, 2016 @04:07PM (#11279135)
Same here in Cyprus, the catalog is pathetic. I am using an unblocker for now once it stops working Netflix will become useless to me and I'll cancel. We're too small to make a difference to Netflix even if all subscribers stop paying we're just a rounding error in their accounts. The change will come from larger markets and from EU who is trying to kill geo blocking within Europe.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by terryf on Sunday March 13, 2016 @04:13PM (#11279162)
Yep, I already cancelled, it seems the one I was using (smartflix) won't be back soon.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by denzil_correa on Sunday March 13, 2016 @06:06PM (#11279578)
Smartflix has gone from 7.99$ lifetime to '2.99$ per month/ 29.99$ lifetime' to '2.99$ per month / 39.99$ per year. A lot of discontent amongst early adopters now/

I guess Netflix and other studios have managed to achieve their goal.

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by eru on Sunday March 13, 2016 @07:49PM (#11280038)
Netflix wants you to watch and pay. It's mostly their suppliers who have weird ideas.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by crapolasplatter on Sunday March 13, 2016 @09:18PM (#11280404)
Exactly and they are so short sided with greed that instead of getting a little in their pockets, those people are going to go the easier route and torrent the shows.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by mirimir on Monday March 14, 2016 @02:01AM (#11281307)
https://popcorntime.sh/

Do use a reputable torrent-friendly VPN service. Such as AirVPN, BolehVPN, Mullvad, etc. And check for leaks: https://www.ivpn.net/privacy-guides/how-to-perform-a-vpn-lea...

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by mindcrash on Monday March 14, 2016 @03:56PM (#11285116)
That's because they need more money for the "fix" they are about to implement.

And if you know some things about infrastructure/network engineering the "fix" they are talking about here isn't cheap (both in infrastructure and operational costs.)

That's why the prices changed -- if Big Media didn't force Netflix to start blocking nothing would've changed. Now they do, SF is basically forced to pivot their business model slightly or risk go out of business completely.

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by nsgi on Monday March 14, 2016 @06:31AM (#11281999)
Wait, it now costs more to pay annually?
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by sireat on Sunday March 13, 2016 @03:23PM (#11278949)
What was really silly that Netflix pride and joy House of Cards was not available in the Baltics on Netflix until recently.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by redler on Sunday March 13, 2016 @06:36PM (#11279741)
It's plausible that licensing agreements prevent some content from being shown in some markets. But what could possibly be the reason for Netflix holding back its own content — content that directly drives subscription revenue — in other markets?
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by LoSboccacc on Sunday March 13, 2016 @06:54PM (#11279816)
In Italy netflix sold house of cards right to sky before its service being available. Now netflix opened shop here but many originals are locked by the initial licensing until the end of times.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by rtpg on Sunday March 13, 2016 @09:56PM (#11280563)
Distribution deals happened for House of Cards... For obvious reasons distribution deals are usually exclusive per region (I spend a lot on marketing and then some other guy just starts selling the same content...)
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by redler on Sunday March 13, 2016 @10:29PM (#11280700)
Interesting -- I didn't realize Netflix distributed their content through third parties. So in a few years they've gone from a licensee dependent on the vagaries of contracts they sign with content owners, to a content producer developing their own original material, to a licensor distributing their properties through others. It's a situation not precisely worthy of the "looked from pig to man, and man to pig" quote, nor "content is king", nor "commodify your complements"; perhaps a blend of all three.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by drather19 on Tuesday March 15, 2016 @01:02PM (#11291104)
The order isn't quite as you put it -- it was only the earlier originals that Netflix couldn't afford to buy out. They aren't looking to license their originals back out at this point (exclusive + global is still the strategy going forward). They've even gone back and worked to pick up expanded rights in more countries for the ones they've missed (e.g., HoC).
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by themartorana on Sunday March 13, 2016 @11:06PM (#11280812)
IIRC, Netflix only has first-run rights to House Of Cards. It's not fully owned by Netflix and will appear on Comcast et al. [0]

Although when Netflix's original $100m buy didn't cover production costs, it is what it is?

[0] http://www.wired.com/2014/03/comcast-bites-netflix-snagging-...

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by thirdsun on Monday March 14, 2016 @02:29AM (#11281374)
They do indeed - here in Germany House Of Cards has an exclusive window on the pay-TV service Sky, which results in Season 4 of House of Cards not being available on Netflix currently.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by seanp2k2 on Monday March 14, 2016 @12:37AM (#11281102)
Netflix doesn't own most of HoC or OitNB: http://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/netflix-to-own-original-...
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by DasIch on Sunday March 13, 2016 @05:46PM (#11279498)
Season 4 is still not available in Germany on Netflix.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by cm2187 on Sunday March 13, 2016 @03:16PM (#11278924)
Majors don't want your money. They are making so much money since the birth of internet and p2p that they can afford to turn down business.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by seanp2k2 on Monday March 14, 2016 @12:40AM (#11281117)
It's much more an issue of licensing availability: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/currency/global-licens...
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by cm2187 on Monday March 14, 2016 @04:24AM (#11281637)
This is as silly as only selling your products through a single distributor by country. Imagine where Samsung or LG would be if they were doing that. Right now movie studios are both complaining about falling revenues and turning down paying customers.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by beedogs on Sunday March 13, 2016 @11:21PM (#11280850)
Then they should no longer care about piracy.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by ehnto on Monday March 14, 2016 @01:32AM (#11281242)
I live in Australia and our catalogue is disappoining. We are practically US 2.0 and the publishers still can't figure out a way to strike a deal.

Just copy and paste your contracts, replace America with Australia and away you go. /s

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by sound_of_basker on Monday March 14, 2016 @04:41AM (#11281686)
Content sources typically charge per region. The more the subscribers per region, the better is Netflix chances of broadening the catalogue in that region. It is a tough problem that has several facets. Prime move, capturing a subscription base, marketing, campaigning, trials, licenses, sourcing, regional law compliance (nudity/violence etc.), infrastructure, etc.

Am not saying as a consumer you are wrong. But a perspective from the other side at least partially covers the why.

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by AnAfrican on Monday March 14, 2016 @08:17AM (#11282350)
I'm optimistic.

For smaller and poorer markets, there are plenty of content with no distribution deal in place.

So Netflix could be the only way to make any money in those markets.

Those catalogues will grow bigger. Possibly bigger than the catalogues in Big market where there is competition.

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by elcct on Sunday March 13, 2016 @08:35PM (#11280212)
At least you don't have to stare in to a potato like in Latvia. Actually an imagination of a potato just before you die...
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by giarc on Sunday March 13, 2016 @02:19PM (#11278708)
>no legal way at all to watch the vast majority of movies here.

You could buy them.

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by terryf on Sunday March 13, 2016 @02:41PM (#11278787)
You'd think so, but unfortunately I can't, again, for some, I can, yes, but the selection is vastly reduced.

Essentially, if you search for movie dvds on amazon and ship them to an US address with a US credit card, then the selection is at least 10x, if not 100x larger than when I try to buy them.

Nevermind of course the time it takes to order things online and then have them ship the dvd, which I don't really want anyway, but fair enough, that's just convenience.

So, the problem is not that I'm not wiling to pay for it, the problem is that nobody will take my money, because the movie studio hasn't signed a redistributor for that movie in my region.

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by nommm-nommm on Sunday March 13, 2016 @08:46PM (#11280253)
Most of the time you can't. You can't buy something that's explicitly and on purpose not available for purchase in your country. That is the whole point. Even if you were to find someone willing to import American DVDs to Estonia, the movie studios have region code lockout codes on DVD players to prevent that!
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by thaumasiotes on Sunday March 13, 2016 @10:07PM (#11280610)
> Even if you were to find someone willing to import American DVDs to Estonia, the movie studios have region code lockout codes on DVD players to prevent that!

So use a computer to play your DVDs. Region lockout works on the honor system.

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by DanBC on Sunday March 13, 2016 @10:13PM (#11280635)
This sub thread is about legal ways to watch movies.

People seem to be missing the fact that importing DVDs is not necessarily legal; and turning your DVD player to region free is arguably not legal (under the various "interfering with rights protections mechanisms" laws.

To you and me "buying the DVD from some other region" is legit, while "pirate the movie" is less legit, but to the rights-holders there's not much difference. See, for example, this submission which is talking about rights holders asking Netflix to stop people buying content from a different country.

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by mirimir on Monday March 14, 2016 @02:42AM (#11281391)
Well then, if there are no legal ways to watch a movie, "pirating" is the only option, right? What possibilities remain? Should people take vacations to watch movies?
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by DanBC on Monday March 14, 2016 @06:33AM (#11282009)
My opinion is that people should make their own choices. If it were me I'd try to buy the DVDs, but I'd also pirate the DVDs I had bought (for a backup) and I'd consider pirating the DVDs that are not available to purchase.

But the industry has different ideas, and they are well funded and influential. We see the results of that influence in international copyright agreements and laws like DCMA.

See for example the Japanese games that have "NO RE-SALE" printed on the back of the box. Japanese publishers pushed pretty hard to make second-hand sales of games illegal. (I don't think that succeeded). It is (or was?) illegal to rent games in Japan.

In the face of this kind of vigorous assertion of rights of IP holders it's can be difficult to stick rigidly to the law.

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by mirimir on Monday March 14, 2016 @07:11AM (#11282144)
I just don't get it. If some film is unavailable in some region, piracy in that region has no conceivable impact on sales. And so how can there be any damages? Do you argue that piracy notwithstanding, people would be migrating to places with better licensing deals?
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by DanBC on Monday March 14, 2016 @04:17PM (#11285263)
In this region: Movies are not available legally, and so people pirate them. When those people come to HN to say why they pirate movies other people say "just buy the DVD", or "just go without".

"Just buy the DVD" doesn't work for the reasons given; just go without is dumb for the reasons you give.

I don't think I'm arguing for the position you think I'm arguing for.

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by mirimir on Monday March 14, 2016 @08:42PM (#11286695)
What are you arguing for?
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by thaumasiotes on Monday March 14, 2016 @07:06PM (#11286243)
> If some film is unavailable in some region, piracy in that region has no conceivable impact on sales.

This is definitely not true. Piracy in that region builds up a support infrastructure for piracy that can be used in other regions. It builds social support for piracy, and can spread, as a cultural practice, when people from the afflicted region converse with people from other regions. All of those things can impact sales outside the region.

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by mirimir on Monday March 14, 2016 @08:41PM (#11286692)
That's rather tenuous. It's also arguable that piracy in such regions helps popularize a film, through reviews social media, etc. And so it would increase sales elsewhere.

And there's a simple solution: Make sure that your stuff is available legally everywhere. Because if it's not, you know that it will be pirated.

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by maccard on Monday March 14, 2016 @05:16AM (#11281769)
The "right" option is the same is at always has been - don't watch the movie. (Not saying I agree or disagree, just that it is an option)
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by mirimir on Monday March 14, 2016 @07:06AM (#11282123)
That's not going to be a very popular option.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by mikekchar on Sunday March 13, 2016 @10:00PM (#11280579)
It wasn't all that long ago that it was impossible to legally get Japanese content in the US. They just wouldn't take your money. It wasn't until scanlators and fansubbers created a large market that the Japanese producers took foreign markets seriously. Even then, I have been told by reputable sources that companies like Viz used to pay about $1000 per volume with no royalties for North American English language rights to manga. Japanese producers just didn't believe it was worth any amount of money in foreign countries. Of course that has changed dramatically now.

I'm hoping as we move to a global market with digital distribution, these dinosaur companies will realize that there is no risk to handling world wide distribution themselves. But it means killing the distributors (who were the businesses that helped you get that content when nobody else was listening...).

Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by jimbobimbo on Sunday March 13, 2016 @02:42PM (#11278791)
You could buy a localized version, which is not that same thing. Try watching a Schwarzenegger movie with a bad voice cast. :(
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by jon-wood on Sunday March 13, 2016 @02:49PM (#11278824)
As opposed to the man himself's amazing range.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by pille on Sunday March 13, 2016 @04:16PM (#11279172)
It doesn't matter how much of a hack any actor is, it's an order of magnitude more hacky when the soundtrack is dubbed into another language.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by SeanDav on Sunday March 13, 2016 @02:59PM (#11278861)
He does have a certain unique style that is all Arnie. "I'll be back" just does not carry the same impact when done in a non-Arnie voice.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by wildmusings on Sunday March 13, 2016 @03:21PM (#11278938)
He might not hit many notes, but he hits them damn well. "Get down!" "Get down again!"
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by jimbobimbo on Sunday March 13, 2016 @03:10PM (#11278898)
He has a very unique manner of speech. Pretty much any significant actor does. Localized dubs lose all that.
Re:Netflix crackdown on border hoppers could kill some unblo... by cm2187 on Monday March 14, 2016 @04:27AM (#11281648)
Schwarzenegger without the thick Austrian accent isn't Schwarzenegger.