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Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by uptown on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:00PM (#11042708)
Or how about the phony "people you may know". They suggested I may know my 4 year old Niece because somebody uploaded the email address created for her into their system. She definitely doesn't have a LinkedIn account, but they portray a profile-photoless "shadow profile" as-if she does.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by rspeer on Friday February 05, 2016 @02:50PM (#11044107)
I see newer social networks that are taking the LinkedIn playbook and making it even worse.

As a recovering academic, I find myself getting incredibly scummy e-mails from ResearchGate which actually purport to be from people I have done research with, putting their name as the sender, without that person even taking any action to send the e-mails. It's a spamming/phishing tactic that for some reason hasn't gotten them banned from the major e-mail services.

How do I know that the person named in the e-mail is not choosing to send these e-mails? Someone I once did research with passed away last year, sadly. He started supposedly sending me ResearchGate invitations six months after he died.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by kale on Friday February 05, 2016 @04:37PM (#11044840)
ResearchGate seemed nice for a week. It showed every time a paper quoted one of mine, so it was a small confidence boost to know my older stuff is being read.

Then they sent an e-mail with pictures of me, and said "are any of these people you?" Apparently RG thinks I need a photo so bad, it tried to search for one on the internet, and asked for confirmation.

It's not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, but it is creepy.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by T-hawk on Friday February 05, 2016 @04:08PM (#11044634)
LinkedIn's "shadow profiles" are absolutely horrific.

I deleted my LinkedIn account over five years ago, and hunted down every "no, really delete" option I could find on the site and in their emails. It didn't work. LinkedIn will still happily let users and recruiters find my old ghost profile and try to connect with it. I have quite a number of former co-workers who think they have a contact channel with me in LinkedIn even though it would never reach me. LinkedIn isn't just a nuisance, it's actively poisonous and dangerous.

I'll be doing all my future job hunting on StackOverflow Careers, thanks.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by tedmiston on Friday February 05, 2016 @02:21PM (#11043893)
The fact that they intermingle "add this person to my network" with "invite this person to LinkedIn" on that page drives me insane.

I accidentally sent my friends a bunch of annoying messages to their school email addresses as I sat there clicking and asking myself, "How are we not connected, we've known each other for years?". Really we are but LinkedIn creates these shadow profiles for each of their email addresses.

Especially since they seem to never go away and you can invite repeatedly, like once a quarter when you scroll through asking yourself, "How are we not connected, we've known each other for years?"

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by stephenboyd on Friday February 05, 2016 @03:43PM (#11044465)
When I signed up, I made the mistake of giving LinkedIn access to my Gmail address book. Somehow this meant they actually had access to a list of every person I had ever e-mailed, even if only once.

So ever since then, LinkedIn has been trying to trick me into sending invites to people I've never met who I've briefly inquired about sharing an apartment with, various administrators at the schools I attended, and women who I went on some dates with back in 2009. Having an interface that's designed to funnel me into an inauthentic and embarrassing social gesture means I have to keep a state of anxious vigilance whenever I use it.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by justinclift on Friday February 05, 2016 @05:09PM (#11045022)
Hopefully you've learned something important about not giving your login credentials for any service, to another service. ;)

[And yeah, I'm aware of people doing this for other services too, eg financial account management. Expecting they'll become further anecdotes later one... :(]

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by jpetso on Friday February 05, 2016 @07:04PM (#11045701)
I signed up with an email alias specifically created for LinkedIn, and it still managed to associate my Facebook friends as possible connections. What the frick.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by AJ007 on Friday February 05, 2016 @05:31PM (#11045156)
Keep an eye on mobile apps that steal your address book.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by yelnatz on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:31PM (#11042986)
I fell for this a couple of times. They grabbed my friends email and created a fake profile for her.

When I clicked connect, I thought I would invite her to my network, but it ended up with an invite to LinkedIn to her email.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by gohrt on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:35PM (#11043022)
That is an invite to your network.

The difference is that you were not aware of how interested in LinkedIn the contact was, and you were not aware you were ALSO inviting her to join LinkedIn

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by kbenson on Friday February 05, 2016 @01:56PM (#11043707)
The difference is that sending a request to someone within the social network to form a connection in that social network is different than sending an invite to someone's separate social network (email), which encourages them to join a whole new social network are two separate actions, and to represent one while doing the other is a bait-and-switch. This is a problem because they have separate social and cultural expectations, so you may feel comfortable doing one and not the other.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by pen2l on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:26PM (#11042926)
That happens to me too. But you know who is a thousand times worse than Linkedin when it comes to these things? Facebook.

At this point, I honest /just/ /don't/ /know/ how to stop getting emails from them. In my entire life I've only had a facebook account for a few hours (created one out of necessity a few years ago -- closed it after just a few hours of use at that time). And I still get emails. I've clicked unsubscribed probably fifty times by now, but I still keep getting emails. I just don't know how to stop it. Incidentally this is one of the reasons I cheer for blackhats taking shots at Facebook, I'd love to see the behemoth shot down. They don't respect me or my time, I don't respect them.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by __jal on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:50PM (#11043157)
Anything from a Facebook domain hitting my mail server is bounces them back to Facebook's abuse and postmaster addresses. I know categorically that it is abuse, because I am the sole user of my mail server and do not now and have never had a Facebook account, and have repeatedly asked them in various ways to stop spamming me.

Useless, of course. But just because they ignore internet norms of decent behavior doesn't mean I will.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by seanwilson on Friday February 05, 2016 @02:14PM (#11043844)
For what it's worth I have a Facebook account and have all the email notification settings off and can't remember seeing an email from Facebook in over a year.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by toomuchtodo on Friday February 05, 2016 @02:16PM (#11043860)
I noticed that when I stopped checking my Facebook account, Facebook started sending me FOMO messages ("Hey! You have messages! People are saying things! Please come look!")
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by username223 on Friday February 05, 2016 @05:39PM (#11045203)
I noticed them doing that as well, and did what I usually do with companies that get too chatty: First, turn off the notifications, unsubscribe, etc. Then, if they ignore my preferences or keep adding new categories of notification that are enabled by default, I add a client-side rule to throw away everything they send. This way they get to keep thinking that I receive their spam, and I don't have to see it, which is a win-win (though a sad loss for email in general as an obsessively reliable communication system).

This worked out fine for Facebook: I visit their webpage when I want to know what's going on over there, and they never send me email.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by kccqzy on Saturday February 06, 2016 @08:01PM (#11050955)
Facebook's email messages used to be pretty useful; they used to contain the actual content of posts. That means if you also turn off remote images, you can actually read Facebook posts without Facebook having realized that you've read it. I've always done this for privacy, until they stopped putting the actual post in their emails.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by samuellb on Saturday February 06, 2016 @08:17AM (#11047651)
Yes, but it also stops sending you normal e-mail notifications, which is IMHO only annoying because I prefer to use my e-mail client to read messages, invites, etc.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by kedean on Friday February 05, 2016 @04:42PM (#11044872)
Hell, I haven't received an email from Facebook since about 2009, I think?
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by eli on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:56PM (#11043214)
That seems like it would make it harder for Facebook's abuse team to deal with actual abuse reports.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by __jal on Friday February 05, 2016 @01:14PM (#11043374)
I am making an actual abuse report.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by Karunamon on Friday February 05, 2016 @03:23PM (#11044332)
You'd probably have more luck marking them as spam in your client. If you're using a webmail service of any note, you're helping to train the filters used by others, and as a bonus, your own profile means you're less likely to get them in the inbox in the future.

Also, if you're in the USA, you should report those messages to the FTC.

If you try to unsubscribe from an email list and your request is not honored, file a complaint with the FTC. via https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0038-spam

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by __jal on Friday February 05, 2016 @04:44PM (#11044880)
You appear to have missed the part about this being my own mail server.

And I don't need any more luck; my initial problem is solved (I no longer see spam from Facebook, and I am taking steps to ensure they are aware of their problem, in case they weren't).

The problem was worth the time I spent on the config; it is manifestly a waste for me to involve the FTC, since I don't have to worry about Facebook's spam anymore and am willing to eat the tiny amount of bandwidth involved.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by Practicality on Friday February 05, 2016 @02:28PM (#11043939)
I am pretty sure a Facebook dev has already set up a rule on the abuse inbox to delete any emails coming from your domain.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by Lawtonfogle on Friday February 05, 2016 @01:11PM (#11043353)
Thereby resulting in facebook being a worse software for the average user due to their abuse of this one user. Win win for someone who doesn't like facebook.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by resu_nimda on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:37PM (#11043040)
It would probably be pretty trivial to set up a filter or two to automatically delete those emails. Or maybe just leave your account open (though it sounds like you would refuse to do this on principle). I never receive emails from Facebook.

I think it's a bit extreme to cheer for hackers to take down a big company just because they send you a few emails. How much time has it really cost you, in total, to delete their emails? 5 minutes? And for that the "behemoth" should be "shot down?"

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by pen2l on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:42PM (#11043083)
> I think it's a bit extreme to cheer for hackers to take down a big company just because they send you a few emails.

It really just isn't the emails, it's rather that they're one of the biggest pioneers of dark patterns: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/04/facebooks-evil-interfa...

I'm extremely conflicted about all of this. I want the open web to thrive, but I'm beginning to realize that in a free and open internet parasites who partake in these such practices are rewarded all too well.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by alonmower on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:54PM (#11043202)
I've noticed a lot of user hostile behavior like this from all of the large public social companies (LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook, etc...)

It's really a shame but I think that when your business is built off of trying to monetize user engagement with ads and you're under the scrutiny of the public market it's only a matter of time before this starts to crop up. I imagine there are/were many people at all of these companies against this sort of thing but with enough employees and enough outside pressure to deliver growth I suspect it's nearly impossible to avoid (without an extremely explicit mandate from the top)

:(

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by pen2l on Friday February 05, 2016 @01:16PM (#11043395)
> I've noticed a lot of user hostile behavior like this from all of the large public social companies (LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook, etc...)

It appears so. This is amusing to me -- because when I was involved in a startup setting 2 years ago, I remember distinctly having conversations with my coworkers about the frequency of emails we were sending. We argued against sending too many emails because it would waste the user's time, it wasn't right, etc. And in the end we followed through - we were very mindful of not bothering our users with anything other than what is very necessary and important. But Facebook et al. have more of a 'fuck the user' philosophy and they seem to be faring well for it. This is very much a trend, little players are playing strange tippy toe games while the big players selfishly and shamelessly mess it all for everyone.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by dave2000 on Friday February 05, 2016 @01:57PM (#11043715)
I don't get any emails from Facebook. Have you not set up the account the way you like it? Do you still have stock wallpaper, ringtones etc on your devices? I find out about events in Facebook at the right time; when I'm using Facebook.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by maus42 on Saturday February 06, 2016 @06:07AM (#11047267)
Did you miss the point where the poster said "had a FB account for a couple of hours"? I assume this means they deleted their account.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by Tepix on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:47PM (#11043134)
Exactly. If it's 5 minutes per 1 billion customers, 5 billion minutes wasted. That's 9512 years. 135 lives.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by jloughry on Friday February 05, 2016 @03:54PM (#11044537)
> 1 billion customers...135 lives

That's close to the proportional death rate from air travel accidents (3.6 billion passengers/year, around 500 deaths).

Facebook takes---in Fermi numbers---about as many lives as plane crashes.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by jbbarth on Friday February 05, 2016 @01:49PM (#11043653)
This calculus doesn't make much sense. Multiply any enormous number of people by a few minutes and you'll get hundreds of lives equivalent time.

That's pretty much the kind of fallacy behind "if all people on Earth give 10$ for <cause> we can solve <big problem mankind hadn't solve in a century>."

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by MawNicker on Friday February 05, 2016 @02:42PM (#11044044)
It's not a fallacy. We really could solve those big problems. It's better than thinking about the huge problem and your tiny ego. It puts things in perspective. Facebook really wastes the equivalent of 135 lives. That's the reverse operation. It takes the relatively trivial 5 minutes from your life and puts it in global perspective. When you're that big and you annoy people in a systematic way you deserve this characterization.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by emiliobumachar on Friday February 05, 2016 @02:40PM (#11044032)
I don't see the fallacy in it. It's just pointing out that a little time wasting at scale actually has a big impact.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by jbbarth on Friday February 05, 2016 @03:18PM (#11044301)
The point is that everything at scale as an impact that looks big when aggregated... if you don't actually look at the scale.

135 out of 1B isn't big at all, it just looks big because of the biases we have when interpreting big numbers. Not mentioning the fact that the aggregation isn't very relevant (it's not like 135 people will have their entire life wasted while the others are not annoyed at all).

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by justinclift on Friday February 05, 2016 @05:15PM (#11045051)
If you're one of the 135 people's lives they've wasted... you might take it a bit more personally. :D
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by dingo_bat on Friday February 05, 2016 @10:37PM (#11046437)
But that's his point: Facebook's emails are not wasting anybody's entire life. The 135 number is an aggregate.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by justinclift on Saturday February 06, 2016 @05:11AM (#11047180)
Sure, and he's trying to downplay it.

They're wasting 135 people's entire lives worth of time. Every single day. :(

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by resu_nimda on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:52PM (#11043179)
I can think of many things waste more of my time than having to delete promotional emails here and there. I get that it's annoying, but let's have some perspective...

Where are you getting that 1b number from? Most of Facebook's active users are presumably not receiving these emails or not being particularly enraged by them, since they like using Facebook.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by manigandham on Friday February 05, 2016 @09:17PM (#11046185)
Facebook is not wasting emails on 1 billion people. Honestly I'm an active user and dont get a single email. It's a few clicks to turn off all email notifications. If you're not a user then you should get nothing unless someone else is trying to invite you, which is the fault of that person, not the service.

Why the hyperbole?

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by otoburb on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:30PM (#11042968)
How do they keep getting around your spam filters? Blocking the domain has worked well for me.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by pc86 on Friday February 05, 2016 @01:23PM (#11043459)
If you read the button it's not an CTA to connect with her but a CTA to invite her to LinkedIn. She would then get an email basically saying "Uncle Uptown would like you to join LinkedIn!"

Agree it's scummy and they are mixed in with actual folks on LinkedIn but they are not creating shadow profiles.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by uptown on Friday February 05, 2016 @01:38PM (#11043573)
This is on mobile. It shows her name, her email address, and a circular button with a human silhouette and a plus symbol on it. All in a section titled "People you may know". The implication is absolutely that she is a user of the site.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by tedmiston on Friday February 05, 2016 @02:27PM (#11043929)
IIRC there was one very subtle difference on mobile to differentiate users vs. non-users, but it was something easily overlooked. On desktop it's slightly more obvious, but still misleading IMO.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by deadfriend on Friday February 05, 2016 @03:14PM (#11044280)
A friend of mine died almost a decade ago before linkedin became a thing and I see those occasionally. Someone must have done the same for him.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by ShellfishMeme on Friday February 05, 2016 @03:32PM (#11044388)
Linkedin also wanted to connect me with my dead grandfather a few weeks after he died. I'm pretty sure he never had an account there. Felt a bit weird to have that email pop up suddenly.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by itisbiz on Saturday February 06, 2016 @12:53AM (#11046737)
I scraped my 'people you may know' page over 30 days to make sure LinkedIn removed 2000 of my 'stolen contacts' from it. Once they did, 99% of them never appeared again. http://009co.com/?p=9
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by snarfy on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:12PM (#11042813)
> because somebody uploaded the email address

You mean they scrapped it from your email account because you clicked on one of their links in your email.