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Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by resu_nimda on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:37PM (#11043040)
It would probably be pretty trivial to set up a filter or two to automatically delete those emails. Or maybe just leave your account open (though it sounds like you would refuse to do this on principle). I never receive emails from Facebook.

I think it's a bit extreme to cheer for hackers to take down a big company just because they send you a few emails. How much time has it really cost you, in total, to delete their emails? 5 minutes? And for that the "behemoth" should be "shot down?"

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by pen2l on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:42PM (#11043083)
> I think it's a bit extreme to cheer for hackers to take down a big company just because they send you a few emails.

It really just isn't the emails, it's rather that they're one of the biggest pioneers of dark patterns: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/04/facebooks-evil-interfa...

I'm extremely conflicted about all of this. I want the open web to thrive, but I'm beginning to realize that in a free and open internet parasites who partake in these such practices are rewarded all too well.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by alonmower on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:54PM (#11043202)
I've noticed a lot of user hostile behavior like this from all of the large public social companies (LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook, etc...)

It's really a shame but I think that when your business is built off of trying to monetize user engagement with ads and you're under the scrutiny of the public market it's only a matter of time before this starts to crop up. I imagine there are/were many people at all of these companies against this sort of thing but with enough employees and enough outside pressure to deliver growth I suspect it's nearly impossible to avoid (without an extremely explicit mandate from the top)

:(

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by pen2l on Friday February 05, 2016 @01:16PM (#11043395)
> I've noticed a lot of user hostile behavior like this from all of the large public social companies (LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook, etc...)

It appears so. This is amusing to me -- because when I was involved in a startup setting 2 years ago, I remember distinctly having conversations with my coworkers about the frequency of emails we were sending. We argued against sending too many emails because it would waste the user's time, it wasn't right, etc. And in the end we followed through - we were very mindful of not bothering our users with anything other than what is very necessary and important. But Facebook et al. have more of a 'fuck the user' philosophy and they seem to be faring well for it. This is very much a trend, little players are playing strange tippy toe games while the big players selfishly and shamelessly mess it all for everyone.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by dave2000 on Friday February 05, 2016 @01:57PM (#11043715)
I don't get any emails from Facebook. Have you not set up the account the way you like it? Do you still have stock wallpaper, ringtones etc on your devices? I find out about events in Facebook at the right time; when I'm using Facebook.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by maus42 on Saturday February 06, 2016 @06:07AM (#11047267)
Did you miss the point where the poster said "had a FB account for a couple of hours"? I assume this means they deleted their account.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by Tepix on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:47PM (#11043134)
Exactly. If it's 5 minutes per 1 billion customers, 5 billion minutes wasted. That's 9512 years. 135 lives.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by jloughry on Friday February 05, 2016 @03:54PM (#11044537)
> 1 billion customers...135 lives

That's close to the proportional death rate from air travel accidents (3.6 billion passengers/year, around 500 deaths).

Facebook takes---in Fermi numbers---about as many lives as plane crashes.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by jbbarth on Friday February 05, 2016 @01:49PM (#11043653)
This calculus doesn't make much sense. Multiply any enormous number of people by a few minutes and you'll get hundreds of lives equivalent time.

That's pretty much the kind of fallacy behind "if all people on Earth give 10$ for <cause> we can solve <big problem mankind hadn't solve in a century>."

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by MawNicker on Friday February 05, 2016 @02:42PM (#11044044)
It's not a fallacy. We really could solve those big problems. It's better than thinking about the huge problem and your tiny ego. It puts things in perspective. Facebook really wastes the equivalent of 135 lives. That's the reverse operation. It takes the relatively trivial 5 minutes from your life and puts it in global perspective. When you're that big and you annoy people in a systematic way you deserve this characterization.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by emiliobumachar on Friday February 05, 2016 @02:40PM (#11044032)
I don't see the fallacy in it. It's just pointing out that a little time wasting at scale actually has a big impact.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by jbbarth on Friday February 05, 2016 @03:18PM (#11044301)
The point is that everything at scale as an impact that looks big when aggregated... if you don't actually look at the scale.

135 out of 1B isn't big at all, it just looks big because of the biases we have when interpreting big numbers. Not mentioning the fact that the aggregation isn't very relevant (it's not like 135 people will have their entire life wasted while the others are not annoyed at all).

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by justinclift on Friday February 05, 2016 @05:15PM (#11045051)
If you're one of the 135 people's lives they've wasted... you might take it a bit more personally. :D
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by dingo_bat on Friday February 05, 2016 @10:37PM (#11046437)
But that's his point: Facebook's emails are not wasting anybody's entire life. The 135 number is an aggregate.
Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by justinclift on Saturday February 06, 2016 @05:11AM (#11047180)
Sure, and he's trying to downplay it.

They're wasting 135 people's entire lives worth of time. Every single day. :(

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by resu_nimda on Friday February 05, 2016 @12:52PM (#11043179)
I can think of many things waste more of my time than having to delete promotional emails here and there. I get that it's annoying, but let's have some perspective...

Where are you getting that 1b number from? Most of Facebook's active users are presumably not receiving these emails or not being particularly enraged by them, since they like using Facebook.

Re:LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value by manigandham on Friday February 05, 2016 @09:17PM (#11046185)
Facebook is not wasting emails on 1 billion people. Honestly I'm an active user and dont get a single email. It's a few clicks to turn off all email notifications. If you're not a user then you should get nothing unless someone else is trying to invite you, which is the fault of that person, not the service.

Why the hyperbole?