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Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by jedberg on Saturday October 17, 2015 @05:05PM (#10406094)
It's unfortunate that potential LPs can't be trusted to keep these kinds of things secret, because it makes it harder for founders to trust them in the future.

As an occasional LP myself, I always consider financial documents like this just as secret as my own bank statements and health records.

Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by forrestthewoods on Saturday October 17, 2015 @06:27PM (#10406411)
This is an embarrassing question... what's an LP?
Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by pilom on Saturday October 17, 2015 @06:32PM (#10406427)
Limited Partner. I.e. the people with the money behind the venture capital firms. The big VC firms solicit money from LPs to fund startups which the VC managing partners select.
Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by pftom on Saturday October 17, 2015 @07:10PM (#10406537)
wow

you must be rich.

Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by droidist2 on Saturday October 17, 2015 @09:32PM (#10406893)
Oh honey, he's teasing you. Nobody has two television sets.
Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by idlewords on Saturday October 17, 2015 @07:19PM (#10406575)
The clear solution is to give each LP different revenue numbers. That will make it trivial to identify the leaker.
Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by laluser on Saturday October 17, 2015 @09:56PM (#10406932)
Then by that same logic, can't the LPs just leak slightly modified number so they're not identified?
Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by idlewords on Saturday October 17, 2015 @11:39PM (#10407135)
You monster
Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by jedberg on Saturday October 17, 2015 @08:38PM (#10406785)
Not a bad idea, except that it's illegal. If they invest on your phony numbers then they can sue you later for lying to them.
Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by gcb0 on Sunday October 18, 2015 @03:44AM (#10407520)
you never met a lawyer.

send notice to LP #1. subtract value from sending that note. send new value on a note to lp #2. subtract cost... put a note on all notes that they may be an hour out of date but represent the values as accurately as the law demands for that day.

Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by brianwawok on Saturday October 17, 2015 @09:00PM (#10406831)
Even if only a few cents?

What if you give everyone the same numbers in a different order? Or one spelling mistake in each release?

Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by jedberg on Saturday October 17, 2015 @09:51PM (#10406924)
Those other options would probably be more legal but less likely to "propagate" to the leak.
Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by tajen on Sunday October 18, 2015 @04:37AM (#10407608)
"Number watermarking" is a very good solution against many different kinds of leaks. I wonder whether there exist services for big companies to "watermark" internal documents with very insignificant errors.
Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by jsprogrammer on Saturday October 17, 2015 @06:12PM (#10406359)
Why do they need to be secret? If secrecy is such a large concern, why not go the TPP route and keep the available copy in a locked room under supervision?
Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by jedberg on Saturday October 17, 2015 @08:36PM (#10406776)
I had this discussion with my manager once. I was of the opinion that there is no need for secrecy, which is why we were very forthcoming with the stats about reddit. However, he had one pretty good reason to keep financials and other stats secrets: It gives your competitors information they may not otherwise have.

For example, one stat is cost per unit. If your competitor knows that your cost per unit is say only 1% more than theirs, then they know how to undercut you to hurt your business.

Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by jsprogrammer on Saturday October 17, 2015 @10:38PM (#10407019)
I can see the logic in the case of a cut-throat competition. I want to argue that if you find yourself in a business keeping 1% secrets, it might be time to look for other solutions to your problem.
Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by coke12 on Saturday October 17, 2015 @06:17PM (#10406375)
Part of the reason a company stays private is to have more control over the release of financial information. Why would a company that values privacy choose to do business with a firm (a16z) that it can't trust?
Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by jsprogrammer on Saturday October 17, 2015 @06:47PM (#10406474)
That doesn't give a motivation for the secrecy.

I don't know why someone would or would not do business with a16z. Was a particular contact breached here? I don't remember reading such an allegation, but I may have missed it.

Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by coke12 on Saturday October 17, 2015 @07:11PM (#10406541)
Privacy is a reasonable thing to expect in basically all business transactions, regardless of whether it's listed specifically in a contract. Firms that want to maintain good relations with the startup community want to be seen as trustworthy.
Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by jsprogrammer on Saturday October 17, 2015 @07:49PM (#10406663)
I'm reading lots of justification, but no reason for why the secrecy is desired.
Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by oldmanjay on Saturday October 17, 2015 @11:52PM (#10407156)
Competitive advantage is the reason for secrecy.
Re:Leaked Pinterest Documents Show Revenue, Growth Forecasts by jsprogrammer on Sunday October 18, 2015 @05:47PM (#10409938)
Interesting. Do you know of any ways to compute the competitive advantage of holding a given secret?