Re:The Cobra Effect
by simonh on Thursday October 01, 2015 @06:07PM
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Housing policy in Britain is a bit like this. Houses in Britain are so expensive that many people are priced out of the market. So the government offers tax breaks and cheap loans to first time buyers. This means first time buyers can afford to offer more money to purchase a house, bidding against each other and driving house prices even higher.
This has been going on for decades, but they still do it because there are no votes for letting house prices fall, and plenty of votes in offering help to first time buyers. The fact that the general taxpayer is footing the bill is just a detail.
Re:The Cobra Effect
by mmanfrin on Thursday October 01, 2015 @06:53PM
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Would rent control fall under this? Rent control creates artificial pressures for people not to leave housing, which restricts housing from being opened up to people moving in to a region, which causes rents of non-occupied units to rise.
Re:The Cobra Effect
by gweinberg on Thursday October 01, 2015 @07:54PM
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It seems to me that the idea of the bounty wasn't bad, the problem is just that it was too high. If they just decreased the bounty to the point that raising cobras was no longer profitable rather than all the way to zero, people would still turn in the cobras they had rather than releasing them. And they might still catch an occasional cobra for a small bounty, if the opportunity presented.
Re:The Cobra Effect
by PhasmaFelis on Thursday October 01, 2015 @08:24PM
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Alternately, once they realized it wasn't working, announce that the bounty would end in a month, so that the breeders would hustle to kill all their cobras and bring them in.
(Or, to shift a little blame away from the British, maybe if the breeders hadn't been stupid/dickish enough to release a fuckload of live cobras in their neighbors' back yards.)
Re:The Cobra Effect
by neoCrimeLabs on Thursday October 01, 2015 @07:05PM
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This immediately made me think of bug bounties and the vulnerability black market.
How long until the money gets good enough for people to start introducing obfuscated vulnerabilities into code in order to further profit from it at a later time? With increasing financial incentive and an open market it might be an increasing risk with opportunistic or disgruntled developers.
Re:The Cobra Effect
by smoyer on Thursday October 01, 2015 @07:51PM
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It's interesting that this appeared on the front page at the same time as the announcement that Amazon would stop selling competing streaming video devices.
Re:The Cobra Effect
by wtbob on Thursday October 01, 2015 @09:11PM
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> But I look at this graph and I think: wow, there must have been a ton of people stuck in unhappy marriages before, who could now have better choices.
But at what cost to society, those around them and perhaps even themselves? There are worse things than being in an unhappy marriage!
Re:The Cobra Effect
by mikeash on Friday October 02, 2015 @10:20AM
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I have no idea what the cost to society is. I don't even know if there is a cost. Allowing people to leave bad marriages sounds like a gain to society for me. Do you know the costs?
Re:The Cobra Effect
by wtbob on Friday October 02, 2015 @07:57AM
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That's true of many unhappy marriage, but not all (unless one stretches 'neglect' and 'abuse' beyond all meaning: if a husband puts on 200 pounds, he couldn't blame his wife for not being attracted to him).
There's a huge difference between abusive and unhappy.
Re:The Cobra Effect
by davidu on Thursday October 01, 2015 @06:31PM
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It's important to think about this when crafting sales incentive plans... You will often be tempted to motivate a particular behavior but then you realize that behavior is so successful that it's actually caused a new, and potentially worse problem.
Generally these are all good problems to have though. :-)
Re:The Cobra Effect
by Houshalter on Thursday October 01, 2015 @09:55PM
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If they set a date where the bounty would end, this wouldn't have happened. The cobra breeders would know their cobras would become worthless in a month, and so collect the bounty while they could.
The rat thing could have prevented by collecting the whole rat instead of just the tail.
Re:The Cobra Effect
by jfoutz on Thursday October 01, 2015 @07:08PM
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I know right? Can you imagine how bad it would be if the department of defense wanted some sort of packet switched communication system that would survive a nuclear war? Geez, we really got lucky there.
Re:The Cobra Effect
by nateabele on Thursday October 01, 2015 @09:50PM
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No... not exactly. It's interesting that you pick that one, because Alan Kay talks at length about this subject (poke around YouTube and you can find clips if you're interested). Most of that tech came about because there was a lot of paranoia, a lot of money, and not a lot of good ideas. So they took the money and threw it at universities and research labs, without very many strings attached. Once it started to look like we were winning, all the funding dried up.
I know, right? Can you imagine how bad it would be if the department of defense blew a big wad of cash for a limited period of time on some sort of packet switched communication system that would survive a nuclear war? Geez, we really got lucky there.
This has been going on for decades, but they still do it because there are no votes for letting house prices fall, and plenty of votes in offering help to first time buyers. The fact that the general taxpayer is footing the bill is just a detail.
Graphing household debt and housing prices show them basically moving in lockstep.
(Or, to shift a little blame away from the British, maybe if the breeders hadn't been stupid/dickish enough to release a fuckload of live cobras in their neighbors' back yards.)
How long until the money gets good enough for people to start introducing obfuscated vulnerabilities into code in order to further profit from it at a later time? With increasing financial incentive and an open market it might be an increasing risk with opportunistic or disgruntled developers.
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/Screen%20S...
Gang aft agley, indeed.
But I look at this graph and I think: wow, there must have been a ton of people stuck in unhappy marriages before, who could now have better choices.
But at what cost to society, those around them and perhaps even themselves? There are worse things than being in an unhappy marriage!
There's a huge difference between abusive and unhappy.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/10/how-amer...
Generally these are all good problems to have though. :-)
The rat thing could have prevented by collecting the whole rat instead of just the tail.
You want rat tails? Then rat tails you get.