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Re:Amazon Flex by suvelx on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @09:35AM (#10296127)
What I don't understand, is why I can't pick my delivery slot for free.

Everybody has jobs. Everybody finds it annoying to buy something on line. You never know when it's going to turn up. You have to take a day off, and hope your driver is competent at his job.

Why can't you just say "I'll be at home on Thursday after 5pm. Call me on #555-333-9999 if you have any issues". Courier delivers the package after 5pm on Thursday.

One delivery. No wasted delivery attempts. If an attempt is failed, charge me for it.

Re:Amazon Flex by dragonwriter on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @09:59AM (#10296310)
> What I don't understand, is why I can't pick my delivery slot for free.

Because picking a delivery slot imposes a constraint which creates a cost for the delivery provider.

> Everybody has jobs. Everybody finds it annoying to buy something on line. You never know when it's going to turn up. You have to take a day off, and hope your driver is competent at his job.

Most everybody has jobs, but most people I know don't find it annoying to buy stuff online; many people can have packages delivered to work, and many people have no problems with packages delivered to their home when they aren't there.

> Why can't you just say "I'll be at home on Thursday after 5pm. Call me on #555-333-9999 if you have any issues". Courier delivers the package after 5pm on Thursday.

Because, as you note, everyone has jobs, and if there was no cost to request delivery times, pretty much everyone would request something like "after 5pm". Which would eliminate the freedom of delivery companies to efficiently use delivery vehicles. Which would drive up their costs.

Asking for something which imposes an additional constraint on the service provider which has a cost to fulfill either costs everyone extra to subsidize you, or must cost you extra.

Re:Amazon Flex by dingaling on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @11:18AM (#10296906)
> Which would eliminate the freedom of delivery companies to efficiently use delivery vehicles.

At present ( in the UK ) most courier delivery fleets stand idle in the evening after being out during the day missing deliveries to people who are in work. And having to call again the next day.

It perplexes me why they don't shift their delivery period six hours later to start at 15:00 and end at 21:00. That would cover both business and residential hours.

Re:Amazon Flex by the_hangman on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @03:24PM (#10298842)
> It perplexes me why they don't shift their delivery period six hours later to start at 15:00 and end at 21:00. That would cover both business and residential hours.

I would imagine that is because the highest margins are made off of next-day deliveries from business to business. They often guarantee these deliveries by 10 AM because many companies are willing to pay extra to ensure that their package is delivered by 10 AM.

Consumers, by contrast, are more interested in paying as little as possible for shipping. Shifting their delivery hours to accommodate a group of customers who aren't willing to pay extra for the service while simultaneously killing off business from their most profitable customers would likely be a poor business decision.

Re:Amazon Flex by jimhefferon on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @01:17PM (#10297783)
> It perplexes me why they don't shift their delivery period six hours later to start at 15:00 and end at 21:00.

Maybe they feel that even people doing delivery jobs are entitled to be home with their family at the end of the day?

Re:Amazon Flex by dragonwriter on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @02:07PM (#10298246)
> Maybe they feel that even people doing delivery jobs are entitled to be home with their family at the end of the day?

More to the point, maybe they feel that the higher wage costs for that kind of shift work aren't worth whatever cost savings in other areas it would provide.

Re:Amazon Flex by freehunter on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @01:49PM (#10298077)
Plenty of people work jobs where they are not at home in the evening, so I'm not sure this argument is the most effective. Second and third shift are real things for factory workers, almost everyone in a hospital, grocery store clerks, gas station attendants, janitors almost everywhere, security guards, emergency responders, hell anything that's open after 5pm (which is a ton of stuff).

So yeah, adding a second shift isn't unheard of. My grandpa worked second shift his whole life, and I worked third shift the whole way through college.

Re:Amazon Flex by somebehemoth on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @07:53PM (#10300729)
Just because people do work 2nd shift does not mean it is ideal for them to do so. So I think parent is commenting to say that it is possible that delivery companies value work life balance for their employees and that is a good thing. Market forces change things sure (second shift becomes required to compete), but the first shift schedule is a benefit that I am sure a lot of delivery people appreciate.
Re:Amazon Flex by bitdivision on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @12:06PM (#10297269)
I agree, this would be nice.

They would have to split the fleet, all business deliveries still need to be made 9-5.

Amazon have actually started doing this in reverse in the UK, you can set an address as a business address and your package should only be delivered 9-5. In practice the 'Amazon Logistics' drivers (the aforementioned blokes in cars) are terrible and rarely manage to get this right.

Re:Amazon Flex by noxToken on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @12:00PM (#10297227)
I wonder how this would work in more rural places in the US.

Before I graduated high school, I lived in rural-ish area where the nearest commercial couriers were 50+ minutes from my house to the north and about 90+ minutes to the south. Wal-Mart was literally my only choice for consumer goods, so I spent a good chunk of change online.

I always had the same driver for a certain courier. I asked him how often he had to come down that far, and if it was significantly out of the way compared to the rest of his route. He told me that there were occasionally other stops in my town, but it wasn't the norm. The city and the immediate suburbs were the vast majority of their deliveries. Driving 100 minutes round trip for a couple deliveries probably sucked.

Re:Amazon Flex by murbard2 on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @02:48PM (#10298580)
Someone who lives in this rural place will find it quite profitable to become the town's Amazon delivery person. Drive to pick up packages in the morning, come back and deliver during the day, then go home.
Re:Amazon Flex by DanBC on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @11:19AM (#10296917)
That would coincide with rush hour?

Apart from that it's a good idea.

Re:Amazon Flex by jroseattle on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @05:28PM (#10299787)
Perfectly reasonable responses.

This is also an opportunity waiting to happen.

Re:Amazon Flex by mikeash on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @09:42AM (#10296189)
Because one guy is delivering a huge number of packages, and the service wants this to happen in the most efficient i.e. cheapest way possible. They do their best to come up with an optimal route for all the packages for the day. UPS famously goes so far as to avoid left turns whenever possible when planning their routes for the day, because it takes up significantly more time.

If you're picking a more specific delivery window then you're throwing off that planning and it likely requires the delivery driver to take a less efficient route than they otherwise would. That costs the company, and therefore it costs you.

Re:Amazon Flex by qnk on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @09:40AM (#10296170)

  "Everybody has jobs"
Yes, even the delivery guys who have already been working all day and probably don't want to work past 5pm. There are several alternatives to get custom delivery schedules that work for you, like Amazon locker or Doorman.co.
Re:Amazon Flex by tormeh on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @12:09PM (#10297290)
How about the local post office or your mail box?
Re:Amazon Flex by magic_beans on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @01:20PM (#10297804)
I don't know about you, but my local post office opens at 10 and closes at 5pm, which are when I'm at work.

And my mailbox is a slot in the door. It's not going to accept my packages for me.

Re:Amazon Flex by tormeh on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @04:21PM (#10299336)
Oh, yeah. We don't actually have any real post offices where I live; post office functions are handled by select grocery stores and are available as long as the grocery stores are open.
Re:Amazon Flex by TeMPOraL on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @12:23PM (#10297412)
In Poland, one company set up automated package drop points ("paczkomat", portmanteau of "paczka" - package, and "automat" - automaton, machine) in pretty much every big and small city. Couriers deliver packages to them both in the morning and in the evening, and you can pick them up 24/7 with no human interaction required (you get a one-time password via e-mail and text).

This is godsend for people who work standard hours. I buy on-line quite often, and whenever (90% of cases) there's an option, I pick up a paczkomat on my route home (big cities have a lot of them; mine has something around 50). If a particular shop doesn't offer this type of delivery, I order it to work.

Sadly, post office is no longer an option for me - they work standard hours, and only during Monday - Friday, which makes it hard to pick up anything there. In other words, I have to come late every time something big from Aliexpress comes.

EDIT:

> What I don't understand, is why I can't pick my delivery slot for free.

s/free/a fee/, and I think it could work. For large enough values of "a fee".

Re:Amazon Flex by cag_ii on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @01:18PM (#10297791)
Interestingly, Amazon also runs the "Amazon Locker"[0] service in the US, which sounds much like the "paczkomat" you describe.

    0. http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=amb_link_366591722_2?encoding=UTF8&node=6442600011
Re:Amazon Flex by Robadob on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @01:30PM (#10297883)
Yeah, we have quite a few of those in small shops around the UK (in my city atleast).

Slightly offtopic rant

Amazon offered my universities students union the chance to install some inside the union (e.g. to help students who are at lectures during the day/don't trust flatmates etc), however the union council (who are elected to serve the students interest) voted with a majority against the idea because of how little corporate tax Amazon pays. Ironically, the students union website is hosted on AWS, but they're able to overlook that.

Re:Amazon Flex by TeMPOraL on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @01:25PM (#10297844)
Re:Amazon Flex by mywacaday on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @01:30PM (#10297885)
Same in Ireland, http://www.parcelmotel.com/ Delivers cheaper to Ireland when buying from the UK as a lot of UK vendors offer free delivery domestically. Also allows shipping between their pickup box locations. Oversize items go to a local depo that's open until 8pm so convenient overall.
Re:Amazon Flex by dspillett on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @10:02AM (#10296333)
> What I don't understand, is why I can't pick my delivery slot for free.

As well as the logistical issue others have mentioned: if they did/do offer such an option, you value the option so they'll expect you to pay for it (unless it becomes part of a race to the bottom with other distributors in which case eventually someone will offer that for free).

> after 5pm

That would definitely be chargeable. If evening deliveries were offered for free the majority of their customers would pick that.

> Call me on #555-333-9999 if you have any issues

Not going to happen: the delivery people work to pretty tight schedules in order to be as efficient as possible (and therefore cheap in terms of both man time and fuel). Taking time out to try get through to someone won't happen. You could be on another call, your phone might not be contactable for some other reason, and so forth. In circumstances where you are not ready and waiting to collect you are not unlikely to be in a position to not be able to immediately answer the phone.

Re:Amazon Flex by lorenzhs on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @09:44AM (#10296206)
I have everything delivered to my office, as long as I can transport it home on my bike (i.e. no washing machines). Works very well for me, but apparently not every workplace encourages this. Here, the delivery guy brings the packages directly to my office ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re:Amazon Flex by voltagex_ on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @05:21PM (#10299716)
Often there's a complete lack of policy around this, especially in buildings requiring swipecards to get in. I don't mind coming down to the lobby to pick up parcels, but it's unknown whether this is actually allowed by $EMPLOYER
Re:Amazon Flex by organsnyder on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @09:42AM (#10296190)
To get efficiency, delivery companies have highly optimized routes to deliver as many packages in as little time and distance traveled. UPS even has algorithms to reduce the number of left turns. It's probably cheaper for delivery companies to make multiple delivery attempts than it is for them to allow recipients to specify their own delivery times.

Of course, there shouldn't be any logistical impediments preventing the delivery company from notifying you once a more precise delivery window is known.

Re:Amazon Flex by bitdivision on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @12:10PM (#10297309)
DPD in the UK do this now. The morning of your delivery you get a text message giving you the hour your parcel will be delivered, and a link to rearrange delivery or to track the driver's current location.

To my mind, their system far outstrips the other couriers.

Re:Amazon Flex by d_theorist on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @12:59PM (#10297637)
Yeah. I had a delivery from them the other day. I could see a map showing exactly where the driver was at any time. Granted, it didn't auto-update, but whenever I reloaded the page it gave me an updated location, and told me where I was in the queue.
Re:Amazon Flex by petercooper on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @02:32PM (#10298465)
If you use Chrome DevTools, you can get a curl query that will keep grabbing the latest JSON from the tracking. We rigged it up with a check every minute and had it send us a Slack notification when the delivery was under a mile away :-)
Re:Amazon Flex by dasboth on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @05:52PM (#10300005)
That's a lovely bit of hacking! :)
Re:Amazon Flex by d_theorist on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @05:26PM (#10299764)
Nice!
Re:Amazon Flex by sethhochberg on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @12:07PM (#10297276)
I actually just recently learned about UPS's "My Choice" program - it does exactly this, you get more precise delivery windows for packages and a certain number of times per year you can request specific delivery windows.
Re:Amazon Flex by brador on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @10:35AM (#10296564)
Because an average courier drops 180 parcels a day.

Now add customer preferences and you have a mess that can't be satisfied because everyone wants their parcel 5-7pm.

Re:Amazon Flex by rexf on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @12:06PM (#10297267)
> everyone wants their parcel 5-7pm

If everyone wants later delivery, maybe that is something to look into (to meet/satisfy customer demand). Instead of the alternative of packages not getting delivered in the daytime and trying again the next day.

Re:Amazon Flex by robotresearcher on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @12:14PM (#10297336)
Now add the elastic capacity of a large number of casual part-timer workers who finished school/starbucks/whatever at 4pm and are happy to make a little cash working 5-7pm.
Re:Amazon Flex by Someone1234 on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @10:02AM (#10296335)
I think we would all love to see this.

Amazon do have their lockers. The problem with Amazon Lockers is that they're expensive. Even with prime it still costs extra on top (similar to one day shipping) to have it delivered to a locker.

I've noticed Amazon require a signature a lot LESS often now which does reduce this problem (since it can be left), and I guess Amazon are picking up the cost of the 1-5% of stolen packages.

PS - I've only had a single package in the last two years simply disappear (after it transitioned from a carrier to the USPO, it was a packet of underwear).

Re:Amazon Flex by ghaff on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @11:16AM (#10296897)
I assume you meant a signature.

Or a combination of Amazon and the logistics companies. Mind you it's very safe to drop things at my house. (Rural home with a long driveway.) But I've noticed a trend toward a signature requirement becoming very rare whether it's Amazon or others.

Re:Amazon Flex by sib on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @04:51PM (#10299538)
Is this geography-specific? "Even with prime it still costs extra on top (similar to one day shipping) to have it delivered to a locker." I've never been charged extra for Locker delivery.
Re:Amazon Flex by deet on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @12:10PM (#10297303)
This is for Amazon Prime Now deliveries, which let you choose a delivery slot. You choose a two-hour delivery slot between 6am and midnight for free, or you can choose a 1 hour delivery slot, including within one hour from now, for a fee (at least those are the ranges in NYC).
Re:Amazon Flex by adventured on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @10:16AM (#10296426)
You will be able to do this once Amazon Flex is built out (or Uber Delivery et al). Delivery drivers will make more money for delivering after normal ~9-5pm type hours.
Re:Amazon Flex by cbhl on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @05:27PM (#10299782)
If you live in SF, Seattle, or New York you can probably find a 'package locker' service like Amazon Locker or BufferBox to solve that problem for you. It's a bit pricy though -- you may as well just live in a luxury apartment and have the doorman/reception drop the package off inside your apartment for you.
Re:Amazon Flex by kraftman on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @09:45AM (#10296216)
Can't you get it delivered to work?
Re:Amazon Flex by xixixao on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @10:54AM (#10296729)
Yes yes yes. I don't want this for stuff I can transport myself, hack I can just go to a normal shop for that stuff, but when I need a piece of furniture or an appliance, I don't want to have to take a holiday to get it delivered. (and Yodel indeed sucks)
Re:Amazon Flex by grayclhn on Wednesday September 30, 2015 @12:31AM (#10301777)
I'm kind of amazed at the negative reactions this comment got. I'd bet the reason is, "the companies think it would cost more," but god yes it would be more convenient.
Re:Amazon Flex by Nilef on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @02:57PM (#10298643)
This is the world we envisage with gophr.it - Unfortunately, we're only inside London at the minute.
Re:Amazon Flex by patrickyan on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @10:51AM (#10296713)
You can use a service like Doorman in SF or Parcel in NYC. UPS also has MyChoice.
Re:Amazon Flex by voltagex_ on Tuesday September 29, 2015 @05:31PM (#10299807)
Hahahaha. I tried to use MyChoice while on holiday in Canada. I was in an AirBNB, so wasn't listed on the building directory. This resulted in [1], repeating until I sat at home and waited for the UPS guy to arrive.

[1]: https://i.imgur.com/r6yB77e.png