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Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by camillomiller on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @04:47PM (#10194460)
This comment is exactly why HN won't never understand anything about Apple announcements. Highly technical folks, unable to get out of their technical bias, reprimanding the extremely successful decision makers of a successful company because they pretend to know the matter, while completely ignoring the real world scenarios that actually drive Apple products sales.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by mamon on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @05:09PM (#10194623)
It is not a "technical bias", it is more your bias towards Apple. Take the last year's iPhone 6 as an example: HN members complained about small screen sizes for a long time, and it took Steve Job's death to actually make that happen, but gues what? iPhone 6 is most succesfull iPhone ever. Apple did some innovations few years ago (original iPhone, iPad), but since then most of new features in Apple products are taken from Android an WP devices. I personally would like to see Apple's response to Lenovo Yoga 3 (convertible tablet/ultrabook) and for some time I hoped that iPad Pro will be just that. Unfortunately it isn't so the chances of me buying it just fell around 0%.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by zimpenfish on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @05:41PM (#10194822)
> iPhone 6 is most succesfull iPhone ever.

They did a lot of background work getting the OS and UIKit and developers up to speed for supporting multiple device sizes - necessary for introducing bigger screens - and I would suggest that played a large part in making the 6 successful. People weren't getting a crappy scaled experience from the apps they already knew.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by etchalon on Thursday September 10, 2015 @01:12AM (#10196232)
So 3D Touch is something Android has?

This is mostly a tongue-in-cheek comment, but the broader point is that of course Apple has "innovated" since the original iPhone, iPad, iWhatever. In some big ways, and in some small ways. But so have other players in the industry. Apple has borrowed some good ideas from them, just as they have borrowed good ideas from Apple.

However saying Apple hasn't innovated since those original announcements is so hilariously ludicrous.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by Thimothy on Thursday September 10, 2015 @04:01AM (#10196687)
Actually... It does. Huawei did a demo about it a few months ago.

http://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-mate-s-force-touch-ha...

It's okay to live inside a ecosystem, but don't pretend to know what happens outside it.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by mattkevan on Thursday September 10, 2015 @06:02AM (#10197098)
There's a world of difference between a demo – and an 'very limited indeed' implementation, and a flagship feature supported at a deep level by the OS.

Force touch on Android will never get anywhere until it's specifically supported by Google (who unless I'm mistaken, haven't included it in M), and the install rate is high enough to make it worthwhile. I'm sure more OEMs will include it, but individually they won't have the clout to make it go anywhere.

It's a bit like the argument around NFC. My Nexus 6 has it, but until M is released with Google Pay, it's pretty much useless. Apple waited until they had a compelling use-case, and only then included it. I would not be surprised if the use of NFC is far higher on iOS than Android.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by jhasse on Saturday September 12, 2015 @01:57PM (#10208745)
I have NFC (Galaxy S4) and never used it to pay, still would miss it. You can easily send links or photos, I did this a while back with a friend who has a SONY Z3 and it worked flawlessly. Also I can pair my wireless headset with my phone using NFC.

I can use Google Pay in the future with my over 2 years old device. Apple users have to buy a new iPhone for that.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by etchalon on Thursday September 10, 2015 @04:53AM (#10196872)
Huawei's version is not Force Touch, as Apple has defined it. It's a pressure sensitive display, with no haptic. It's about as precise as MotionEvent.getPressure from what I've seen (which isn't really precise if you've used that API).

Basically, they saw the Apple Watch, and kinda cribbed together a rough copy of it, and jammed it into a phone.

Shocking, I know, as Android OEM hardware hacks are always done as cohesive, full-thought implementations.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by TempestNova on Friday September 11, 2015 @03:06PM (#10205580)
Huawei did a demo few months ago?

I didn't know IFA 2015 was few months ago.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by mamon on Thursday September 10, 2015 @11:55AM (#10198765)
3D Touch is just a gadget, not a feature that would help Apple raise their sales. Bigger screens were such selling point, so was NFC support, so was swipe keyboard in AppStore - and all those were added by Apple only after they became popular in Android phones. Of course Apple made some improvements when adopting them, but it seems that they are using Android phone owners as their beta testers :)
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by jsz0 on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @11:20PM (#10196005)
> It is not a "technical bias", it is more your bias towards Apple.

Preference or bias? No random person commenting on Hacker News is obligated to be unbiased. We're allowed to have preferences still right? My preferences might be different depending on different contexts. I rarely order cocktail sauce to put on my chocolate ice cream but I also rarely order whip cream to put on my shrimp. That doesn't make me bias against cocktail sauce or whip cream.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by paublyrne on Friday September 11, 2015 @12:39PM (#10204666)
iPhone 6 is most succesfull iPhone ever.

Hasn't every iPhone been the most successful iPhone ever?

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by shas3 on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @04:59PM (#10194544)
Even taking usability into account, an argument can be made that iPad Pro is neither here nor there. Consider a simple use case: let's say iPad Pro is the sole enterprise device handed out to employees at a company. AFAIK, even a simple thing like compressing multiple files (given irrational attachment size limits won't be going away any time soon) and sending them via email will be impossible given how closed and pared down iOS really is. How will you do file management? What about specific applications (e.g. Solidworks)? They will have to be re-done for iOS, which could be a pretty hard thing for small vendors. iPad Pro and the new iOS will have to be step change over iPad Air and current iOS to be appealing as a laptop replacement. The new iOS must be so near to OS X as for the difference to be immaterial.

On the other hand, a Surface Pro is truly a replacement for a laptop as it features a full blown Windows 8 (or 10, now).

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by twiceaday on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @05:14PM (#10194662)
Being a sole enterprise device is not a simple use case and it has nothing to do with general usability as far as most people are concerned. Your comment is an epitome of what the post you replied to was talking about.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by shas3 on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @05:50PM (#10194874)
On the contrary, there is perhaps only one use case where iPad Pro could be a boon for users: industrial, graphic, and sundry designers, visual artists, etc. As I see it today, iPad Pro is a niche product, not a mass-market pro tablet like the ones made by PC manufacturers. Everyone else can either just continue using iPads or use full featured laptops. Contrast this with the Surface Pro.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by intended on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @07:10PM (#10195270)
In those cases, most people would want to have full photoshop/ z brush instead of an app.

Theres also lots of artists who have reviewed the surface pro line favorably. Notably penny arcade's Mike K, and MTG's Noah Bradley.

When designers/visual artists are going to look at the market they are going to see surface pro, not iPad pro.

To top it off - The pro is also relatively closer to the cintiq ideal. Couple that with the iPad pro's price point?

How will you justify getting an iPad pro? The parallax, accuracy and hands on reviews aren't out yet.

I don't see who in the digital design world would buy this, or why.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by comex on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @05:57PM (#10194915)
File management - new built-in app in iOS 9: http://www.businessinsider.com/this-hidden-app-in-ios-9-lets...

Compressing multiple files - this has actually been possible since iOS 8: http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/winzipr-for-ios-now...

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by wingerlang on Thursday September 10, 2015 @04:08AM (#10196713)
By that definition of file management it is the same as e.g. the Dropbox app isn't it? Not "true" file management like iFile or such apps (jb).
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by dataker on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @05:14PM (#10194664)
His comment doesn't represent someone 'highly technical, unable to get out of their technical bias'.

In fact, a 'sales guy' or a banker could have shared a similar opinion.

You don't need to be 'highly technical' to be pragmatic and critical.

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by oldmanjay on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @05:54PM (#10194892)
Ignoring reality in favor of emotionally satisfying opinions doesn't count as either pragmatic or cynical. Under Tim Cook's leadership, Apple continues to break records as it remains the most valuable company in the world. What wake-up call is needed here, exactly?
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by rythie on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @06:17PM (#10195023)
It's the standard

". No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame. "

response.

http://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-ip...

Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by AndrewKemendo on Thursday September 10, 2015 @01:36AM (#10196278)
To be fair, I liked my Nomad Zen Xtra way better than the 1-3rd Gen iPod.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by Gigablah on Thursday September 10, 2015 @04:03AM (#10196695)
The Nomad II was my dream gadget. I absolutely loved it.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by halayli on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @04:53PM (#10194504)
Suddenly, they are industry and product experts. Generally, HNers are experts about any topic.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by vacri on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @05:14PM (#10194665)
Apple has made a lot of flop products. Their successful products are real killers, but there's this weird confirmation-bias-field surrounding them that makes fans forget their numerous flops.
Re:Apple Unveils the iPad Pro by cag_ii on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @06:07PM (#10194969)
If you really wanted to be objective, you could replace "Apple" in your comment with the name of just about any leading tech. company.