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Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by aaron695 on Sunday July 19, 2015 @04:46AM (#9910509)
This thread currently has the lame self rightness on par with reddit. Evil humans are stopping firefighters cause they are evil.

Where's the science. Can a drone actually hurt a helicopter. And did the drone controllers know they were causing an issue, I doubt it.

Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by bootload on Sunday July 19, 2015 @06:22AM (#9910709)
"Can a drone actually hurt a helicopter. And did the drone controllers know they were causing an issue, I doubt it."

Drones in a restricted flight zone, in a fire situation will ground fire-fighting helicopters and fixed wing aircraft. That stops essential fire suppression operations which allows fires to get out of control. In turn, this hurts people. Is that clear enough?

Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by Negitivefrags on Sunday July 19, 2015 @06:34AM (#9910734)
So just fly the damn helicopters and forget the drones. The chance of a drone taking out a helicopter almost certainly so low as to be not worth worrying about.
Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by Coding_Cat on Sunday July 19, 2015 @08:38AM (#9910989)
Your[1] argument seems to be "We don't know if they're dangerous, I personally don't think they are so we should just allow them". The first part is okay, the second part I strongly disagree with. We're dealing with an emergency situation here, if drones can damage helicopters/hamper the efforts of the firefighters and they're not banned there is the potential of loss of life. If they don't, and we ban them, there's the loss of cool pictures, and personal freedom in a disaster zone. Something which we have experienced without problems for ages now.

Sure, perhaps some research would be in order to determine if/what kind of drones can cause issues, and allow those which are safe (or atleast give licenses to news drones and the like for public interest purposes). But erring on the side of caution before the results are in does not seem to be a bad idea IMHO.

[1] as in, the people in this thread arguing for the use of drones, not you as an individual.

Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by fixermark on Sunday July 19, 2015 @09:06AM (#9911064)
You sound like a drone enthusiast, so let's play the odds.

Assume for a bit that there is a low but non-zero chance that a helicopter could be damaged by a drone.

Now let's imagine the unlikely scenario that a helicopter and drone collide, resulting in loss of the helicopter and death of its operator.

Do you think the public response to that scenario is going to leave much of the drone hobbyist ecosystem intact? Or is it more likely (human nature being what it is, especially when faced with an event in the "We could have prevented this but failed to" category) that laws will be passed to ban drone operation unless the operator has a year of training, N hours of flight time, retinal scans on record, and a giant red 'D' branded on their chest?

For the health of the drone hobbyist ecosystem, it would be wise for drone operators to steer clear of emergency response situations so as to not even make the question of what to do in the event of a crash a necessary one to answer.

Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by kzhahou on Sunday July 19, 2015 @10:33AM (#9911308)
Yeah, I think the one thing we can all agree on is that firefighters are a bunch of scaredy cats who need to accept a little risk in their jobs.
Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by falcolas on Sunday July 19, 2015 @09:35AM (#9911138)
If this was the case, why would aircraft (including helicopters) be so wary of birds? Birds generally have much lower mass than your average multirotor, so if one of those can hurt an aircraft, why can't a drone?
Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by jonlucc on Sunday July 19, 2015 @07:28AM (#9910847)
I was thinking the rotor wash from the much-larger-than-toy-drone helicopters would handle the drones just fine.
Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by JshWright on Sunday July 19, 2015 @09:19AM (#9911099)
Assuming the drone is below the helicopter. It's just as likely the drone would be above the helicopter and rotor wash would pull the drone _towards_ the turbine inlets.
Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by JshWright on Sunday July 19, 2015 @09:05AM (#9911061)
So, you're saying that it is so implausible that ingesting a couple pounds of aluminum and copper would be bad for a turbine that 'science' needs to prove it's unsafe before we consider it an issue for aerial firefighting?
Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by berkut on Sunday July 19, 2015 @08:15AM (#9910943)
Well obviously - depending on the helicopter and where its turboshaft (jet engines, with air inlets, but designed to create rotational energy rather than raw thrust) are mounted, it's quite possible for a drone to get sucked into the inlets, possibly causing FOD (foreign object damage).

Likely - maybe not, but definitely possible.

Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by nickpinkston on Sunday July 19, 2015 @05:29AM (#9910590)
Agreed, are they stopping helicopters for large birds too, or is this just an excuse?
Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by kiallmacinnes on Sunday July 19, 2015 @05:46AM (#9910633)
Large birds fear for their safety and avoid the helicopter, I'm guessing at least some drone pilots - especially those willing to fly their drone over something like this - have less fear for their drones "safety". Hell - They may even be trying to get "the action shot" by trailing the helicopter etc etc.
Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by GeorgeKap on Sunday July 19, 2015 @06:20AM (#9910702)
Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by JshWright on Sunday July 19, 2015 @09:49AM (#9911175)
Bird activity is indeed a cause for concern in aerial firefighting (and aviation in general).
Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by mikeyouse on Sunday July 19, 2015 @03:14PM (#9912451)
When a small bird can shatter the windscreen of a helicopter temporarily blinding the pilot, I think it's pretty safe to assume a 2kg drone can cause some pretty significant damage;

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2015/03/after-bird-blinds...

Re:Drones visit California wildfire, angering firefighters by jkot on Sunday July 19, 2015 @05:08AM (#9910555)
I am sure helicopter can not be damaged, since it is much bigger. Blades at almost supersonic speed will slice everything like a butter. I seen it in movie.

Firefighters are probably just worried about expensive drones ;-)