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Re:Microsoft Edge and Web Components by skrebbel on Thursday July 16, 2015 @05:41AM (#9896202)
I'm pretty impressed with Edge. Browsing HN with it now, and it's definitely the best browser Microsoft ever made, by far. I really really hope they'll backport it to Win8 and Win7 like they didn't do with IE10/11, otherwise we're all going to be in the same shit again.

The list of supported tech is getting pretty real as well [1]. Not everything yet (wot, still no desktop notifications? do you even want people to use your browser for real work?), but a lot - e.g. very much of ES6 is in there and usable right now from the devtools console.

[1] http://dev.modern.ie/platform/status/?filter=c3e0000bf

Re:Microsoft Edge and Web Components by T-A on Thursday July 16, 2015 @09:05AM (#9896895)
If I had to guess, I would guess they won't backport it, at least not before the end of the free Windows 10 upgrade offer. And if that goes as well as they hope, probably never.
Re:Microsoft Edge and Web Components by justwannasing on Thursday July 16, 2015 @09:52AM (#9897143)
Re:Microsoft Edge and Web Components by bzbarsky on Thursday July 16, 2015 @03:26PM (#9899365)
html5test has some problems:

1) The set of functionality it tests is pretty arbitrary. Some of the things it tests are basically single-browser-vendor with other browsers having clearly said they have no plans to implement them.

2) The point values it assigns to the things it tests are totally arbitrary. So you can implement various useful things but have fewer points than one less useful thing.

3) Its tests are easily gameable (and commonly gamed by various mobile browsers, though less often by IE/Chrome/Firefox/Safari).

4) Some of its tests are just buggy. E.g. it claims that a Firefox nightly doesn't support "script execution events", whereas in fact Firefox supports them just fine. It's just that the way the test runs its test script is relying on a browser bug that got fixed, so the script doesn't run at all.

So I would take any claims based on its summary score as pretty much meaningless. Results for specific things one cares about can still be meaningful, as long as you keep #3 and #4 in mind.

Re:Microsoft Edge and Web Components by justwannasing on Thursday July 16, 2015 @05:07PM (#9899885)
In the 11 years I've been a web developer, there is not a test where someone disses it for all the reasons you give, no matter who created it, including caniuse.com.

However, I would never take anything you say, Boris, with a grain of salt. Especially since, about 8 years ago, you tried to recruit me to work on Firefox ;)

Re:Microsoft Edge and Web Components by bzbarsky on Monday July 20, 2015 @01:36PM (#9917637)
Oh, sure. These are not problems unique to html5test.com. Pretty much anything that claims to boil down the quality of a browser or rendering engine to a single number will suffer from problems #1 and #2. As for #3 and #4, writing a test not susceptible to gaming is _hard_, and bugs happen.

It's just that people like to forget all this and treat the numbers they get as revelation from on high. Sort of cargo-cult quality measurement.

Re:Microsoft Edge and Web Components by sp332 on Thursday July 16, 2015 @11:42AM (#9897882)
It's objectively the best they've ever made, as GP stated. Here's a comparison https://html5test.com/compare/browser/ie-Edge/firefox-38/chr...