Re:New York Times Self-Service Advertising
by patio11 on Thursday December 10, 2009 @09:43AM
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I was pretty excited... until I saw the CPMs. It costs $10.50 CPMs on their education pages. By comparison, $10.50 will get me about 200 clicks on AdWords. (The minimum of $50 a day also means that the "learn the quirks of the site" period would be wildly expensive for me.)
I'd love for somebody to come up with something anywhere close to as good as AdWords for me... but I'm still looking.
Re:New York Times Self-Service Advertising
by DJN on Thursday December 10, 2009 @01:33PM
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@patio11
I've been working on precisely this sort of self-service ad technology for over a year now. Something that can help site owners run a pseudo-Facebook Ads service.
The product is finished and well worth a look. Only wish it was ready before NYT took the plunge :)
Re:New York Times Self-Service Advertising
by ilamont on Thursday December 10, 2009 @08:46AM
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This has been around for a while on nytimes.com
But another interesting thing about the Times' approach to online advertising is they don't use the low-quality ad networks that you see on many other publishers' websites. The front page and "above the fold" ads emphasize luxury brands and rich media from mainstream advertisers, and there is some AdSense running at the bottom of article pages, but you won't see scammy teeth-whitening ads (which can be readily found on the Washington Post website). It's a smart move, even if they are leaving some revenue on the table -- it makes the brand look respectable, and increases its ability to charge a premium on ads it does place on the pages.
Re:New York Times Self-Service Advertising
by falsestprophet on Thursday December 10, 2009 @01:20PM
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The New York Times is not "leaving revenue on the table." The Times has long been a special case in attracting higher-than-average quality advertising.
Consider these figures from the NYT 2008 10k and that the Boston Globe is probably representative of the class of principle papers in major cities.
Ad revenue by category
National Regional Classified Other
NY Times 70% 13% 15% 2%
Boston Globe 29% 33% 8% 7%
Regional 4% 56% 7% 7%
source: http://www.nytco.com/pdf/annual_2008/business.pdf
Re:New York Times Self-Service Advertising
by ilamont on Thursday December 10, 2009 @01:39PM
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I was referring to unused inventory. Some publishers would rather run low-quality ad networks than house ads, even though it makes justifying higher CPMs much harder.
Re:New York Times Self-Service Advertising
by jonknee on Thursday December 10, 2009 @09:56AM
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It would be amazingly daft to charge less through this system than they are already getting from big commitments. Those big accounts that buy a lot at once would simply go through this. If you're spending more than $10,000 it looks like you can already get a better deal. But if not you'll be able to advertise and not have to complicate it with sales people.
That said, I'm pretty sure NYTimes.com is already getting some pretty high CPMs (> $25 CPM). These self-serve ads won't be as visible as the large branding campaigns, but that's where the real money is.
Re:New York Times Self-Service Advertising
by sandrogerbini on Thursday December 10, 2009 @01:02PM
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it would appear that their definition of small business is a bit different from mine. a 'low' daily minimum of $50 a day (or ~$1,500/month) is beyond the total monthly advertising expenditures of many locally owned and independently operated mom & pop establishments.
This may help explain the low visibility of so many small companies however.
Re:New York Times Self-Service Advertising
by dpatru on Thursday December 10, 2009 @11:18AM
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Wouldn't it be better for the NYT to focus on their core competencies and just outsource their ads? This is Google's specialty and thus Google should be able to give advertisers a better value.
Re:New York Times Self-Service Advertising
by falsestprophet on Thursday December 10, 2009 @12:18PM
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No. The New York Times has been selling ads since 1851. They go through the trouble of reporting the news only to entice people to look at ads next to the news.
Selling ads is exactly what the Times and every other media outfit is about. They have done pretty well for themselves so far.
I'd love for somebody to come up with something anywhere close to as good as AdWords for me... but I'm still looking.
I've been working on precisely this sort of self-service ad technology for over a year now. Something that can help site owners run a pseudo-Facebook Ads service.
The product is finished and well worth a look. Only wish it was ready before NYT took the plunge :)
www.trafficspaces.com/tour/
But another interesting thing about the Times' approach to online advertising is they don't use the low-quality ad networks that you see on many other publishers' websites. The front page and "above the fold" ads emphasize luxury brands and rich media from mainstream advertisers, and there is some AdSense running at the bottom of article pages, but you won't see scammy teeth-whitening ads (which can be readily found on the Washington Post website). It's a smart move, even if they are leaving some revenue on the table -- it makes the brand look respectable, and increases its ability to charge a premium on ads it does place on the pages.
Consider these figures from the NYT 2008 10k and that the Boston Globe is probably representative of the class of principle papers in major cities.
That said, I'm pretty sure NYTimes.com is already getting some pretty high CPMs (> $25 CPM). These self-serve ads won't be as visible as the large branding campaigns, but that's where the real money is.
This may help explain the low visibility of so many small companies however.
Selling ads is exactly what the Times and every other media outfit is about. They have done pretty well for themselves so far.