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Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by gtirloni on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @06:41PM (#9573620)
No mention of interest in programming. That would be a lovely way to pass the time and create some useful things. If not for leisure, perhaps to improve the environment (but that could be dangerous, one mistake and they're dead).
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by dvdfvo on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @06:56PM (#9573674)
It is awesome to think that martians would code on their own machines, but information is one of the only things that is free to transport over planets and almost without delay. In reality, due to their scarcity, first settlers will perform exclusively physical tasks, software will be updated and fixed remotely, and repairs will be performed following strict instructions or advice from Earth.

Coding as relaxation is plausible, but mostly for short projects and nothing serious. It is hard to focus on serious mental activity after laborious work.

Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by rgbrenner on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @07:46PM (#9573860)
but information is one of the only things that is free to transport over planets and almost without delay.

Just FYI, RTT to Mars to between 6 minutes and 44 minutes.

Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by golergka on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @04:08AM (#9575037)
I don't think that RTT of this magnitude would create significant merge problems.
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by dvdfvo on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @07:49PM (#9573866)
Yes. A difference of 4 orders of magnitude.
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by burnte on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @10:05PM (#9574294)
It's actually less than one order of magnitude. If it were variable from 6 to 60 then it'd be a full order of magnitude, but never four.
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by sfilipov on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @11:26PM (#9574496)
I believe he meant transporting information compared to transporting physical goods to Mars. The first takes minutes, the other - hundreds of days.
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by dvdfvo on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @03:23PM (#9578581)
Yes. I though it was obvious from the context of my parent comment.
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by napoleond on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @11:00PM (#9574432)
I assume they mean from ~200ms to ~20min (i.e. comparing to Earth RTT), which is indeed 4 orders of magnitude.
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by derf_ on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @09:01PM (#9574097)
> but information is one of the only things that is free to transport over planets

The marginal cost in terms of power may be very small (compared to a rocket), but the infrastructure costs are enormous, and as a result you're severely capacity-constrained.

Current link to Mars Odyssey from DSS 35 in Canberra is 14.22 kbps (roughly equivalent to a modem from 1991).

Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by dvdfvo on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @09:14PM (#9574139)
Satellites are very cheap compared to manned missions. Speed will not be a problem then.
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by chongli on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @09:03PM (#9574104)
software will be updated and fixed remotely, and repairs will be performed following strict instructions or advice from Earth

Sounds like a major flaw to me. What if communication back to Earth is disrupted? Having the entire mission rely on a communication link is not a good idea. The people on Mars should be totally capable of conducting all manual repairs and bugfixes on their own. All of the software they use to run the entire base should be open source, available in a local Martian repository, and at least two of the people on the planet should be intimately familiar with the codebase and how all of the equipment works.

Ideally, they should also have physical books documenting all of the mission-critical stuff.

Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by Retric on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @10:40PM (#9574379)
It depends on the size of the base. If your population ever broke 10,000 then having a few programs might be a good idea. But, redundant radios are cheap and your probably better off sending an extra doctor / pilot / geologist / engineer / biologist etc for your first few hundred people.

After-all having a working terminal that let's someone code is a hell of a lot more complex and uses a lot more power than a radio.

PS: This ends up getting back to the huge cost benefit of sending rover instead of people. Sure if you ever built up a self sustaining base including the ability to manufacture everything it needs from replacement parts, to CPU's, food, and fuel then sure send people. Until then you don't actually get any redundancy from sending people there.

Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by powera on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @01:33AM (#9574818)
If every computer data on a Mars mission dies, I think all the colonists aree dead. We aren't anywhere close to the technology to support colonists on Mars without technology. Ergo, "physical books" are just a waste of weight.
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by dvdfvo on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @04:00AM (#9575013)
If every computer ... dies. Ironically this is also true for Earth. Therefore it is not a concern. :-)
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by chongli on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @08:28PM (#9580294)
How does that follow? There are billions of computers on Earth. On Mars there may be fewer than one hundred. The odds are not even remotely comparable.

Secondly, if all of the computers on Earth die we can still go outside and breathe the air, drink water from rivers and lakes, gather plants and hunt wild game for food. None of those options are available on Mars. If the computer controlling life support suddenly fails, what options are there to survive? All of this has to be planned for and taken into account. If there is nobody on Mars capable of repairing the life support system (including its software) then they are utterly dependent on the communication link back to Earth.

Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by jpatokal on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @07:25PM (#9573779)
Programming without any access to the Internet is pretty difficult these days, you'd have to find something completely self-contained to work on.
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by drakenot on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @08:40PM (#9574024)
Stack Overflow releases a quarterly archive[0] of all their data which is only a few gigabytes.

If I had access to a couple Computer Science books, all the documentation for my languages and the entirety of Stack Overflow at my fingertips? I think I could do just fine.

If I wanted to take it a step further, I could download common libraries that I thought would be useful. I've been learning Rust lately, and I bet I could write a script to download every git repo of all 2000 libraries in Cargo and it still wouldn't be that big.

I'm one of those people who do their best work when put under serious constraints. I think 520 days devoted to programming and study with no access to the outside internet would be a neat opportunity.

[0] - https://archive.org/details/stackexchange

Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by kibwen on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @01:13AM (#9574782)

  > I bet I could write a script to download every git repo of 
  > all 2000 libraries in Cargo
Funnily enough, the Rust developers have actually already written that script, and they run it weekly in order to determine that there have been no stability regressions in the nightly version of the compiler. :)
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by iyn on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @08:50PM (#9574061)
Thanks for posting this, I wasn't aware of th SO/SE archives. I really like having backups/archives of important/valuable data, this is super cool!
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by amelius on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @05:21AM (#9575245)
I guess this is how those black hat hackers spend their time after they get arrested.
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by Encosia on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @10:11PM (#9574311)
It's not really; it's about the same difficulty that it ever was. We've just become very lazy (i.e efficient) when it comes to solving our own problems. Over the course of 520 days, you might be amazed at what you could figure out on your own if you had no other choice.
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by ams6110 on Tuesday May 19, 2015 @11:15PM (#9574465)
Man pages. And one or two references on each main piece of your stack. If you can't program given that, you are not a programmer.
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by xeromal on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @12:18AM (#9574644)
Why do you narrow your view of programmers so much in that one statement? Just because someone doesn't fit your definition doesn't make it true. Innovation is built on the foundation of other people's work. Man pages are not source for all human knowledge. People like you irk me to no ends.
Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by louthy on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @08:15AM (#9575776)
> People like you irk me to no ends.

That was unnecessary.

I don't know where the line is drawn between 'programmer' and 'cut n paster'; but ams6110 has a point that once you have enough foundational information on a particular stack then anyone calling themselves a programmer should be able to run from there. If you can't problem solve once you have the core information then I'd say ams6110's statement is accurate. Especially if everything you're working with is open source.

Re:Six Men Spent 520 Days Locked in a Room to See If We Coul... by Dewie3 on Wednesday May 20, 2015 @06:50AM (#9575476)

    man svn
    [...]
    For more information about the Subversion project, visit http://subversion.tigris.org.
Of course you would use a DVCS in space, but still.