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Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by kosma on Friday May 01, 2015 @07:48AM (#9470689)
How is this even legal? I can't even imagine this happening in Europe; you can't dismiss someone from school without legal basis. Is it different in America?
Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by Thriptic on Friday May 01, 2015 @10:09AM (#9471340)
Assuming that his contact was only with a mental health professional, his dismissal strikes me as illegal and unethical. It is absolutely illegal in the United States for a physician to release medical records to anyone without the patient's consent, and mental health records are generally treated as especially sacred. If that is indeed what happened, the college would be exposing themselves to a lot of risk.

I would highly encourage anyone feeling depressed to seek counseling, and for the most part school mental health services are a safe and welcoming place to find help. With that being said, DO NOT share information about your mental health status with non-medical staff at school, as they are not bound by the same rules as physicians and can act on that information. My (unsubstantiated and hopeful) guess is that this is likely what actually led to this student's dismissal.

Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by cjbprime on Friday May 01, 2015 @10:32AM (#9471550)
selimthegrin is correct below -- HIPAA does not apply to on-campus mental health services, and there are many ways for therapy records to be shared with the campus administration via FERPA, even against the consent of the therapist.

It's a terrible loophole that needs to be closed. In the meantime, it seems we can't in good conscience encourage people to use their on-campus counselors for mental health crises. (And the off-campus counselors are going to be more expensive, such that people you warn off the on-campus ones might just get no help at all.) :/

Here's an example of a college administration obtaining therapist records to use in their legal defense, under FERPA after the student sued them: http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2015/03/09/391876192/college...

Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by Thriptic on Friday May 01, 2015 @11:10AM (#9471900)
Holy shit, I retract my statement. How has this not been addressed yet? I will write my congressman this weekend about this issue.
Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by selimthegrim on Friday May 01, 2015 @10:19AM (#9471433)
Unfortunately, HIPAA and FERPA overlap and cancel out in some weird ways when it's the university running the counseling service.
Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by PopeOfNope on Friday May 01, 2015 @08:20PM (#9475329)
> I would highly encourage anyone feeling depressed to seek counseling, and for the most part school mental health services are a safe and welcoming place to find help.

In this day and age, I would be very, very careful about who you talk to about any kind of mental health issues. Get a reference from somebody you know and trust who has received direct care from the professional in question. Preferably more than one and never from a school. Make sure it's someone you pay directly, NOT a school counsellor. I appreciate you wanting depressed people to seek help, but sometimes dealing with it yourself is better than dealing with the system.

Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by tsotha on Friday May 01, 2015 @07:54PM (#9475247)
I think this goes back to the VA-Tech shooting, where some nutter chained the doors shut and shot everyone inside one of the buildings. After that there was a great hue and cry because his therapists knew he was dangerous but it was illegal to tell anyone.
Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by PopeOfNope on Friday May 01, 2015 @08:14PM (#9475305)
Nice theory, but this isn't a new phenomenon. I had a friend of a friend get dismissed in a similar manner back in 2001. The official reason is the therapist decided college would put undue stress on an already fragile mind. The unofficial reason is they didn't want the liability. If somebody harms themselves or others on campus, the college is liable.
Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by k-mcgrady on Friday May 01, 2015 @07:51AM (#9470704)
Isn't this how employment there works too?
Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by lawl on Friday May 01, 2015 @07:58AM (#9470733)
Apart from there not beeing a single law for Europe...

In theory yes, in practice it's easy to make something up, here it's mostly "company internal reasons", which they don't have to justify.

The formal reason will never be that someone sucked at their job.

Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by celticninja on Friday May 01, 2015 @08:56AM (#9470942)
well that is somewhat inaccurate, there are EU wide laws and regulations.
Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by digi_owl on Friday May 01, 2015 @01:46PM (#9473196)
Iirc, EU issue directives. But it is up the individual member nations to turn those into national laws and regulations.
Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by kw71 on Friday May 01, 2015 @06:04PM (#9474812)
I'm not surprised if it's legal. W&M staff have a lot of control over the legal system in Virginia - they practically set Supreme Court policy, which controls lower courts too; they control the Virginia State Bar; they have a lot of influence on the state legislature which set the laws of the state.

Virginia is no hero for mentally ill people. Some people are homeless and without income because of mental illness, and until this year, the only "medicaid" available for those people (who did not care for children) were sterilization services (see "Plan First" at VA DMAS.) This means that the eugenics program against mentally ill people that Virginia is known for is still ongoing - it's merely only optional now. Virginia has closed the majority of their state mental institutions and leave these cases to be dealt with by the criminal justice system: basically the theory is to let them devolve into criminal activity then send them to prison.

I think that some mental illness is the result of child abuse. Although child abuse and neglect have been statutorily defined as criminal acts, they are not meaningfully prosecuted in practice. Since the mid-1970's, it has been the law that a wide classification of government employees, from school employees to police officers, are bound by law to report any suspicions of child abuse, but in practice none of them do that, and until several years ago, these employees were liable to no criminal penalties for ignoring that law. I have tried to find cases of people prosecuted for violating this, and have found none.

I think that WMU's influence over the state government is ridiculous and the results of it are disgusting. The school does not deserve its stellar reputation. I would not feel the least bit of sorrow if it were dissolved.

Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by hammock on Friday May 01, 2015 @01:40PM (#9473147)
It's called involuntary withdrawal and this is not the first time it's happened in a US college

http://www.splc.org/blog/splc/2013/04/transparency-tuesday-c...

Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by madamepsychosis on Friday May 01, 2015 @09:57AM (#9471257)
I live in Europe and something similar happened to one of my friends. Abuses of power are everywhere.
Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by mox1 on Friday May 01, 2015 @09:26AM (#9471095)
Are you saying that in Europe colleges cannot dismiss anyone without a "legal basis" (ie they have committed a crime?)

If so that is crazy..Cheating on a test is not "illegal." There are a whole host of things that are "against school policy" but not illegal.

I find this very hard to believe....

Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by pluma on Friday May 01, 2015 @10:25AM (#9471495)
School policy still has to follow the actual laws. Dismissing people for irrelevant mental issues can not legally be school policy (in the EU) as it's blatant discrimination.

It's a blatant breach of privacy and medical confidentiality. Comparing it to "cheating" is actually fairly despicable. We're not talking about malicious or manipulative behaviour, we're talking about someone suffering from an illness who took action to find treatment.

Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by defective on Friday May 01, 2015 @10:48AM (#9471701)
I think you can go ahead and relax. mox1 was making an argument about whether colleges could not dismiss anyone without a legal basis. mox1 was certainly not equating cheating with mental illness.
Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by praptak on Friday May 01, 2015 @09:42AM (#9471176)
"Against school policy" is legal basis. "We suddenly decided we don't want the likes of you" is not. I'm not saying this case must have been the latter.
Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by eli on Friday May 01, 2015 @10:24AM (#9471481)
I'm sure the school has a policy against students who are at threat of harming themselves or others.
Re:On a brother’s suicide: ‘I wish I had never told him to g... by pjc50 on Friday May 01, 2015 @09:23AM (#9471078)
There have been a couple of cases of whistleblowers being fired on bogus mental health grounds from the EU itself. Although I can't remember names at the moment.