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Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by zamalek on Thursday April 23, 2015 @10:03AM (#9426700)
The truth is that it goes far beyond the unfairness to this specific developer and far beyond whether the developer neglected to check the TOS 4 years ago.

Apple is a vile anti-competitive monstrosity. These jerks needed to be slammed with a lawsuit long before this one single example of their flamboyant and abundant anti-competitive behavior.

Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by AlexandrB on Thursday April 23, 2015 @10:27AM (#9426872)
> Apple is a vile antitrust monstrosity. These jerks needed to be slammed with a lawsuit long before this one single example of their flamboyant and abundant anti-competitive behavior.

While Apple are being increasingly huge dicks with their ecosystem I think you'd be hard-pressed with an antitrust case because Apple does not have a monopoly (or even a majority marketshare) on mobile devices.

Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by zamalek on Thursday April 23, 2015 @10:31AM (#9426914)
> I think you'd be hard-pressed with an antitrust case because Apple does not have a monopoly on mobile devices.

> [Merriam-Webster] of, relating to, or being legislation against or opposition to trusts or combinations; specifically: consisting of laws to protect trade and commerce from unlawful restraints and monopolies or unfair business practices.

It doesn't only apply to monopolies but it is a very good tool for dealing with them.

Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by captainmuon on Thursday April 23, 2015 @10:34AM (#9426935)
They have a monopoly for the iOS platform, at least. And in some jurisdictions you don't need a monopoly to be guilty of anticompetitive behavior.
Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by AlexandrB on Thursday April 23, 2015 @10:40AM (#9427010)
Do you have the same stance on Twitter? Twitter has a monopoly on the Twitter platform and may choose not to provide API keys for apps that it doesn't want to exist. Is this abusing a monopoly? If not, why not?
Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by Alupis on Thursday April 23, 2015 @10:52AM (#9427104)
If Twitter was killing an App or Device made by a 3rd party simply because Twitter was entering that market and wished to monopolize the user-share, then yes I'd consider that anti-competitive.

(yes, Twitter does just that, and yes, it's anti-competitive in my book).

Simply not being able to mention "Android" or "Android Wear" or now "Pebble Watch" is ridiculous. If I chose to buy an Android Wear or Pebble Watch, it's because I felt it was a better match for me... I still would have bought an iPhone (since I'm looking for iPhone Apps).

Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by mikeryan on Thursday April 23, 2015 @11:29AM (#9427365)
If Twitter was killing an App or Device made by a 3rd party simply because Twitter was entering that market and wished to monopolize the user-share, then yes I'd consider that anti-competitive.

This is exactly what they've done.

Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by Alupis on Thursday April 23, 2015 @11:32AM (#9427392)
> This is exactly what they've done.

I realize that. If you look at the parent, they were making the argument that it's not the same.

Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by mason240 on Thursday April 23, 2015 @11:35AM (#9427418)
>If Twitter was killing an App or Device made by a 3rd party simply because Twitter was entering that market and wished to monopolize the user-share, then yes I'd consider that anti-competitive.

Don't they have long history of doing exactly that?

Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by pjc50 on Thursday April 23, 2015 @10:54AM (#9427125)
Twitter's stance of shutting down apps that get too many subscribers definitely looks bad to me - although it's a little different in that no money changes hands.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2104603/metrotwit-vanishes-as...

Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by Dylan16807 on Thursday April 23, 2015 @10:50AM (#9427090)
Twitter has definitely performed anticompetitively in the past like that. Legal or not, it's abusing their position.
Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by burnte on Thursday April 23, 2015 @10:35AM (#9426952)
I'll agree they're not a monopoly, but they're being highly anti-competetive, to a point that a legal remedy might actually be successful should the FTC or DOJ push it.
Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by ptaipale on Thursday April 23, 2015 @10:36AM (#9426963)
> Apple is a vile antitrust monstrosity.

I think you want to say "anti-competetive", not "antitrust". Antitrust legislation is what is used against anti-competitive companies. But yes, otherwise you are absolutely right: Apple's behaviour is monopolistic and unfair and "vile" is not unjustified.

Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by zamalek on Thursday April 23, 2015 @10:55AM (#9427132)
Edited, thanks
Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by toxican on Thursday April 23, 2015 @10:11AM (#9426752)
This has nothing to do with the (blatantly) false title or claim though. Apple is not trying to remove Pebble-supporting apps. The dev of a single Pebble-supporting app violated the rules and their app as rejected accordingly. Whether or not the rules are fair is irrelevant, imo.
Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by karl_gluck on Thursday April 23, 2015 @10:32AM (#9426920)
I've said it before and here it is again:

Microsoft was in a position of arguably less control in the late 90's and got a huge antitrust case brought against them. Apple is somehow getting away with wildly anticompetitive behavior (more broad than just this case) and for some crazy reason we are all supporting it because "that's the way it is!"

When Microsoft was the dominant OS, imagine Windows having a blacklist of applications you can't install because they advertised compatibility with Linux or Mac apps. People would riot. But we accept exactly the same behavior from Apple like it's totally fine.

Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by AndrewStephens on Thursday April 23, 2015 @11:04AM (#9427195)
You should stop saying this. Microsoft didn't get prosecuted for controlling what things end-users could do with Windows. They got punished for using their market share to make it impossible for computer manufacturers to build computers that didn't include software from Microsoft, illegally maintaining their monopoly at the OEMs (and ultimately consumers) expense.

Apple has nowhere near the market share that Microsoft has back in the 90's and if you don't like this decision you can take your money elsewhere. In the 90's you literally could not. It is a totally different situation.

Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by yellowapple on Thursday April 23, 2015 @11:18PM (#9431244)
> In the 90's you literally could not.

You actually still could. There were plenty of non-Windows OEMs back then (SGI, Apple, and Sun are examples; all of them built desktops/workstations without Windows installed (instead using IRIX / Mac OS / SunOS/Solaris, respectively)).

Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by AndrewStephens on Friday April 24, 2015 @10:10AM (#9433376)
You are technically correct (the best kind of correct), but Apple had a very small (and shrinking) market share. Where I lived (NZ) they were almost impossible to find - very few shops even carried them and you paid a large premium. SGI and Sun built specialized, expensive machines for specific professional markets and didn't really compete with Microsoft.

In 1995, if you walked into a shop and said "I need a computer" you were shown a range of machines, all running Windows. It was hard to buy a bare machine without Windows unless you built it yourself. Various PC OEMs made noises about offering other OSes (or even creating their own) but Microsoft shut them down with licensing clauses.

The court cases eventually had the desired effect and now OEMs are free to offer Linux and ChromeOS machines as well as Windows. Took a long time though.

Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by clarkmoody on Thursday April 23, 2015 @10:36AM (#9426962)
The App Store is Apple's private property. As much as we disagree with its policies of mentioning Any Mobile OS Which Shall Not Be Named, we must allow Apple to do with its own property as it sees fit. This is the essence of liberty. As a developer, you are also at liberty to choose against developing for iOS if you disagree with Apple's policies.
Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by zamalek on Thursday April 23, 2015 @10:47AM (#9427067)
> The App Store is Apple's private property.

Historically this hasn't been a hurdle for litigation. However, the floral language I used isn't only a result of the App Store - it arises from the many instances of this type of behavior. Take the interaction between iTunes and iDevices as another example. Want to use Winamp to manage your music? Tough. Want to get apps from another store? Tough. Want to browse your phone files with your OS native file manager? Tough. Want to develop apps for the device on anything but a Mac? Tough.

Other companies were litigated for merely pre-installing software on their OS (even though alternatives could be installed at a later date). In many cases with Apple alternatives aren't a possibility whatsoever (unless you violate DMCA).

Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by loumf on Thursday April 23, 2015 @11:10AM (#9427228)
Microsoft had a monopoly on OSs for PCs, so they were not allowed to use that to give another piece of software an advantage. They did not simply have a monopoly on Windows users.

In order to be regulated under Anti-trust, Apple would need to have a monopoly on some market that isn't simply described as "their customers". The closest they came was iPod, but it looks like that hovered around 75%

http://stratechery.com/2010/apple-innovators-dilemma/

So, would probably not fall under anti-trust.

Re:Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support by yellowapple on Thursday April 23, 2015 @11:22PM (#9431262)
Microsoft didn't actually have a monopoly; they got dinged for trying to create a monopoly by strong-arming OEMS that wanted to sell Windows with their PCs, but there were plenty of non-Windows-centric manufacturers (Apple, Sun, SGI, Be, etc.) and plenty of alternative operating systems, even for IBM-compatibles (one of which is now dominant in pretty much every realm other than desktop/laptop PCs).