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Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by MichaelGG on Friday April 10, 2015 @09:35PM (#9358022)
Why does ICANN allow TLDs that are obviously trying to be extortionate? Locked nameservers? Blocked registration? Sunrise period for trademark holders? It's like they're just totally admitting that new TLDs are moronic and pointless and have absolutely nothing to do with increasing domain name space or providing value for the Internet community.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by kudu on Saturday April 11, 2015 @12:18AM (#9358476)
The whole NewTLD project is a misguided, worthless money grab by ICANN which doesn't make sense on a lot of levels. At this point, why even expect them to apply any sort of logic for the common good?
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by amelius on Saturday April 11, 2015 @06:49AM (#9359065)
Having a bigger namespace leaves less room for domain squatters, so this is a good thing IMHO.

Also, being able to get the domain name you want is a form of free speech, and we should be open to it, even if the intent is to discredit a company.

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by rmc on Saturday April 11, 2015 @06:59AM (#9359077)
> Also, being able to get the domain name you want is a form of free speech

Many places and people believe there should be limits to free speech if it's in the public good.

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by belorn on Saturday April 11, 2015 @07:33AM (#9359148)
Those places has a legal system with laws, courts, lawyers and judges in order to define the limits of free speech. Is there a strong argument why that system has failed here, and why ICANN should step in and police?
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by hyperbovine on Saturday April 11, 2015 @01:25PM (#9359935)
See Brandenburg vs. Ohio. But I really fail to see how this tld meets that test. This is about huge corporations getting their panties in a wad when I register starbucks.sucks.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by rsync on Saturday April 11, 2015 @11:23AM (#9359616)
"Many places and people believe there should be limits to free speech if it's in the public good."

Those people are wrong.

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by SanFranManDan on Saturday April 11, 2015 @01:07PM (#9359902)
So all copyright and trademarks are wrong?
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by Snesker on Saturday April 11, 2015 @02:38PM (#9360205)
Many places and people believe there should be limits to copyright and trademarks if it's in the public good.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by rmc on Sunday April 12, 2015 @10:57AM (#9363536)
The existence of any copyright law means there are limits to free speech.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by yid on Saturday April 11, 2015 @02:30AM (#9358736)
Money grab? In some circles, that's called monetization.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by superuser2 on Saturday April 11, 2015 @11:01AM (#9359569)
ICANN is not a startup, it's a shepherd of a public resource.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by cm2187 on Saturday April 11, 2015 @02:47AM (#9358766)
The alternative is cybersquatting of rarified available domain names which isn't exactly moral.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by moe on Friday April 10, 2015 @09:42PM (#9358051)
Why does ICANN allow TLDs that are obviously trying to be extortionate?

Because they collect $0.18 USD per domain per year.

It's like they're just totally admitting that new TLDs are moronic and pointless and have absolutely nothing to do with increasing domain name space or providing value for the Internet community.

Did they ever claim otherwise?

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by MichaelGG on Saturday April 11, 2015 @01:16AM (#9358598)
I remember seeing something about how .museum and .aero and a lot of the first round of dumbass-TLDs was announced. Despite the only .aero I've ever seen was Boingo which seemed like a rather tenuous link. They offer WiFi all over, including airports, so that makes them aerospace? There's a really great yogurt/oatmeal place in SFO in Terminal 3 -- should they have whateverfraiche.aero, too?

And at some point I thought it was, well, at least about DNS. But registrations with no nameservers, or registrations purely to "block" registration seems rather much opposite of resolving names.

The justification for these new names is some of the dumbest I've read. I think Canon or some camera company was saying that with their own TLD, users could automatically share photos. ... WTF? What does that have to do with anything? It's just bizarre.

The best idea is probably just allowing anyone any domain, anytime, for some smallish price. Or force a standard registrar agreement so anyone can buy any second level from any registrar. Then we can just go back to ignoring all these terrible special TLDs. Why get .sucks, when you can have .blows, or .isshit or any other name.

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by rtpg on Friday April 10, 2015 @10:30PM (#9358171)
on the inverse, why are there any TLD restrictions at all? Why can't google get google.chrome? It's just a text field, after all

This is a serious question, because I know a lot of people are against the expansion of TLDs (now I wouldn't have put .sucks on the top of my list for expansion, but...) and I haven't seen a real argument against it.

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by quotemstr on Friday April 10, 2015 @10:37PM (#9358193)
DNS is hierarchical. You know those dots? They actually mean something. Each name is a separate layer you have to query. Each one means more work for people who maintain infrastructure like the public suffix list[1]. Sure, each one might not count for much, but a world with thousands of TLDs isn't better for anyone.

Besides: TLDs function as a lexical tagging mechanism. When you see a string of letters like "foo.com", you recognize the word as a domain name because it's tagged with ".com". If we have thousands of TLDs, it's harder to recognize domain names as domain names.

I don't think any of these concerns will stop our descent to the world of unstructured AOL-keywords-as-DNS, though, and that's a shame.

[1] https://publicsuffix.org/list/effective_tld_names.dat

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by vortico on Friday April 10, 2015 @11:15PM (#9358309)
Domain names are a mess. They're backwards (should be us.ag.bobsforestryservice), and since most domains just end with .com, there's no hierarchy. In my opinion, if ICANN wanted a hierarchy, they should be strictly regulating the names, including checking ownership of trademark, checking country of registration, etc. So thus we have AOL keywords.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by kissickas on Saturday April 11, 2015 @03:16AM (#9358804)
That's the second time I've seen this argument made on HN this week. Why does that make more sense?

If I start typing in my address bar "g" then google.com is the first completion suggestion. If I want to get more specific, I can type "n" and news.google.com becomes the first suggestion. Or "m" and I go to mail.google.com. If we had to write "com." before any of these came up, it would mean a serious loss of productivity for everyone. The current system provides one or two layers of specificity before the TLD, then as many more as you would like (like /item?id=9357898 on the end of this URL, something nobody will every type) - it's ideal for everyday use even if it doesn't fit into some clean sorting method you're imagining or something.

For what it's worth, today is 2015/04/11 :)

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by qrmn on Saturday April 11, 2015 @05:10AM (#9358935)
Because directory hierarchies go from top to bottom - /dir/subdir/file.ext - or, globally, //hostname/dir/subdir/file.ext, or protocol://hostname/dir/subdir/file.ext etc.

That the hostname part's components, as presented to users, goes from bottom-to-top in DNS when the rest goes from top-to-bottom is an accident of history, but one it's too late to change (in DNS). Not everything made that mistake however - Usenet didn't.

As for what you're typing in your 'awesome bar', when you start typing, your autocorrect is ranking your visited history: there's no reason it has to start at the beginning, especially when the beginning isn't the root, but there's also no reason that doesn't make sense.

In fact, drifting back to topic: GOOGLE. is in fact a TLD now. If DNS were the 'right' way round, you'd be going to //google.news - wouldn't that make more semantic sense?

Of course, in practice, we're stuck with DNS the way it is because .com is now firmly in the public consciousness. But it could easily have been different, and if I were designing something new, I'd pick the Usenet way round.

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by rascul on Saturday April 11, 2015 @08:29AM (#9359242)
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by jahewson on Saturday April 11, 2015 @12:13PM (#9359754)
Autocomplete could work the other way around, with "n" finding `∗.news` and `g.news` finding `∗g.news`, after all that `news.google.com` actually starts with `http://`.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by kissickas on Saturday April 11, 2015 @01:26PM (#9359937)
Personally, I don't start typing every address knowing that autocomplete will be there for me. I'm just sped up when it is.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by pbhjpbhj on Saturday April 11, 2015 @04:04PM (#9360560)
You always start with http[s]:// ??

Since the AwesomeBar became a thing and I learnt the #, *, ^, + search modifiers [1] I've seldom typed an address.

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[1] http://alicious.com/fast-bookmark-and-history-search-in-fire...

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by TheLoneWolfling on Saturday April 11, 2015 @12:44PM (#9359829)
Autocomplete doesn't need to be in order. And indeed it isn't. I type in yc, I get HN as the first result - that starts with an n, not yc.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by quonn on Saturday April 11, 2015 @02:34AM (#9358741)
> and since most domains just end with .com, there's no hierarchy

That's a very US-centric view. In most countries the local ccTLD will dominate, so there is _some_ hierarchy.

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by zo1 on Saturday April 11, 2015 @04:52AM (#9358911)
Yes, and I got downvoted by this crowd last time I mentioned as much. Some random SF-specific project launches, and snags up yet another .com domain. It's not even something like "san_fran_project.com", it was even more generic.

On that note, I'm fully with the GP. This sort of thing should be enforced. It would help with everything from spam, to fake sites, to weird domain name pollution as discussed here.

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by allendoerfer on Saturday April 11, 2015 @07:51AM (#9359173)
They should really have done that. TLDs that are properly regulated do have a meaning and are successfully used in their space. Examples are .gov or .edu (except that they should have put in a country layer) and .de, which is the most successful CTLD, because unlike .co or .io it is used only by entities that actually have a physical address in Germany.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by fortyeight on Saturday April 11, 2015 @01:03AM (#9358574)
http://please.obey.space/ Is now a valid domain name. It does look weird.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by nothrabannosir on Friday April 10, 2015 @11:38PM (#9358371)
There is no real argument against it. ICANN is doing us all a favor through inflation. Soon there will be proportionally less squatting simply because there will be more to squat.

They're making a quick buck on the side. I say: all the power to them. The only ones bleeding are squatters.

Embrace the new TLDs! Go wild! Devaluate contemporary domain names! This is how we really hurt the parasites.

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by ipsin on Saturday April 11, 2015 @01:36AM (#9358636)
All these new TLDs honestly just look like ".info" to me. That is, super-scammy and fake-seeming.

If I want to go to Canon's website, I will search for "Canon" or try canon.com.

I'm not going to think "Of course, canon.camera! Or maybe canon.printer or canon.toner!"

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by profmonocle on Saturday April 11, 2015 @03:45AM (#9358834)
.info got that reputation because Afilias has constant "promotional" pricing of $2-$3 for the first year. Very attractive to fraudsters who know the domain won't be around for that long.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by walshemj on Saturday April 11, 2015 @12:14PM (#9359759)
Yep I worked on one of the other TLD's in that round .coop (I sat next to the technical architect) and .info was obviously in spend lost of cash to get rich quick and not worry about the long term consequences mode.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by atmosx on Saturday April 11, 2015 @07:59AM (#9359189)
You're thinking as a 2012 netizen. Imagine how Google will sort results in 2025 on searches about Pharmacies and New York City restaurants when .nyc, .healthcare, .food and .pharmacy will be around.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by megablast on Saturday April 11, 2015 @02:06AM (#9358701)
Yup, but you have picked a stupid example.

What if you wanted a new app, like cup? Now you will be able to differentiate between the different cup's easier?

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by nmrm2 on Saturday April 11, 2015 @12:25PM (#9359788)
No, the squatters have just moved to the .tld level where they can extract even more value. That's what this entire article was about.
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by xorcist on Saturday April 11, 2015 @02:44AM (#9358763)
You are advocating to remove the TLD system. That just decreases the available namespace.

All those hip new services under .rs or .io? That's not because those TLDs are somehow appropriate, that's because they have some even remotely pronounable names available. If you operated the root zone as an open registry, it would all be squatted. All of it.

Most of it would still be for sale however, but with prices no boostrapped start up could ever afford. That's what happens when you make a virtual resource more scarce.

Namespacing the root zone into TLDs makes sense. But it would be better if it was done tastefully. All these new silly TLDs just make everyone lose trust in ICANN.

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by gwu78 on Saturday April 11, 2015 @03:47PM (#9360482)
Ask yourself a simple question: Where does ICANN derive its "authority"? Does it even have any "authority"? To do what?

Is there anything to stop anyone besides ICANN from setting up a network of FTP mirrors that offer a "clean" root.zone file, free from "new" TLD's? No.

I remember the day when ICANN most recently changed the IP they use for the ftp servers that serve the root.zone file. (It does not change very often; it does not rely on DNS!) I also remember the day that this small text file doubled in size to accomodate all the "new" TLD's. Nothing was mentioned on HN. I guess not many folks use this file? I use it every day.

Is there anything to stop DNS admins from using some other zone file (e.g. editing the one provided by ICANN)? Maybe, but one can only wonder what these things would be.

Another simple question: Why follow ICANN as some sort of "steward" of internet naming? Because there is no possible alternative? We have already shown at least one reason not to follow ICANN. Maybe there are others?

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by ajani on Saturday April 11, 2015 @11:28PM (#9362003)
Could you elaborate? Do you have any possible alternatives in mind?

Also very curious to know why you need to work with the zone file on a daily basis?

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by Cakez0r on Saturday April 11, 2015 @08:23AM (#9359231)
The blog post links this article, which says:

"IPC also points out a peculiar change to the standard new TLD contract that’s in the .Sucks agreement with ICANN. It includes an additional fee for Vox Populi with $100,000 upfront and $1 for each additional transaction for up to 900,000 transactions. It’s very odd that a registry would agree to pay this additional amount to ICANN."

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by oliwarner on Saturday April 11, 2015 @08:49PM (#9361511)
Why does ICANN do anything? Money.

Sounds cynical, but seriously, very few of their actions make the internet a better place, only them richer.

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by rm445 on Saturday April 11, 2015 @04:30AM (#9358886)
Why is it a given that such names are extortionate?

Whatever the wisdom (or not) of opening up the top-level hierarchy, there's a place for sites saying things suck. If companies want to engage in the futile enterprise of buying up and controlling every name that might host a site that could be critical, they don't deserve sympathy.

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by nodata on Saturday April 11, 2015 @07:34AM (#9359152)
Because free speech?

One example: Paypal Sucks was a great website that impacted a big company by bringing their terrible policies to people's attention.

Should they also police anti-gay marriage domains, and pro Westboro Baptist Church domains?

Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by DanBC on Saturday April 11, 2015 @04:39AM (#9358894)
What's the difference between companysucks.com and company.sucks?
Re:Why we will not be registering easydns.sucks by walshemj on Saturday April 11, 2015 @12:11PM (#9359744)
well ICANN isn't referred to as ICANT for no reason - A lot of people have serious issues with ICANN and its poor governance.