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Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by joshstrange on Friday April 03, 2015 @10:51AM (#9316183)
Yeah, I'm not going to lose a wink of sleep over algorithms screwing up and making their owners lost a couple hundred thousand dollars (which isn't even a drop in the bucket). Telsa was not the only publicly traded company that did an April fools joke so I'm not sure why they are being singled out.

You want to hand over all of our trading to computers to make more money? Fine (well not 100% fine but this is not the forum to discuss that) but I'm not going to feel sorry for you when your algorithm bites you in the ass.

Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by scott_s on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:20AM (#9316353)
The point of this piece is not to generate outrage; the author is not bothered by this, nor does he think the reader should be. The point of the piece is that this is interesting. It's a sign of how our economy in general, and stock trading specifically, is changing.

To me, the most interesting part is that eventually, how we interpret the laws about what publicly traded companies can legally say may change.

Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by joshstrange on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:51AM (#9316526)
I'm sorry, I found the article extremely interesting and I didn't mean to infer otherwise. More than anything I just wanted to say "good riddance" to those companies but I quite enjoyed the article and the topic.
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by undersuit on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:35AM (#9316428)
Corporations have free speech but comedy is banned?

>come on, put out your fake press releases at 4:05, not 3:55. There is no reason to tempt fate, or annoy your shareholder-algorithms, like this.

Looks like the author is bothered by this.

Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by lobo_tuerto on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:45AM (#9316476)
He also adds:

"I think that materiality means what it says, and if people or algorithms do dumb things with trivial information that's their problem."

Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by zacharycohn on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:45AM (#9316478)
That was his interpretation of a possible SEC ruling
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by undersuit on Friday April 03, 2015 @02:45PM (#9317619)
Let's hope the SEC has more humor than stock trading bots.
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by tedunangst on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:26AM (#9316383)
Tesla was singled out because unlike other companies, the joke was a press release picked up by trading algorithms, and also at 3:55pm. It was possible to measure the effect, unlike Amazon's home page redesign.

I'm guessing Tesla told their PR agency to release it at 4:00, after market close, but the person pushing the button didn't realize the significance of that time and figured early was better than late. oops.

Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by ghaff on Friday April 03, 2015 @12:42PM (#9316867)
I would sincerely hope that a PR agency would understand the significance of market close. If not, I sure don't want them handling my earnings releases (or anything else).
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by cma on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:46AM (#9316484)
There is after-hours trading anyway...
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by georgeecollins on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:04AM (#9316260)
Humor may be a great way for humans to battle newsbots and computer traders.
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by mikeash on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:34AM (#9316423)
This could make for a novel CAPTCHA technique. "Choose the joke in the following options."
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by vuldin on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:47AM (#9316491)
That would be interesting. The use of sarcaasm also seems to be a great way to foil these algorithms.
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by akeck on Friday April 03, 2015 @12:10PM (#9316660)
SarCaptcha:

1) This is a sentence.

2) This captcha is on this page.

3) This captcha is super awesome.

Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by ewindisch on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:56AM (#9316560)
Autistics would fail this, no?
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by cbhl on Friday April 03, 2015 @12:20PM (#9316712)
They're not real people anyway. [/sarcasm]
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by TheLoneWolfling on Friday April 03, 2015 @12:09PM (#9316650)
I've seen "choose the absurdity" before.
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by melling on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:49AM (#9316507)
I don't get it. Knock knock...
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by 6d0debc071 on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:15AM (#9316324)
One thing that I wondered about with automated trading was whether it might make sense to have a rate-limited marketplace. Somewhere that caches trades received over a given time period and then executes them 'simultaneously' (or at least without preference for the order they were received in)....
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by Yrlec on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:45AM (#9316482)
I'd love to see a stock market with a call auction every 15th min 24/7. It just doesn't make sense to have no trading at all during weekends and then claim that sub-millisecond execution is necessary when the market is open. The risk for the market maker shouldn't be much higher but the resources required to provide liquidity are much lower (no need to hire lots of developers to optimize your code). I wouldn't be surprised if a market like that would have tighter spreads (since it's cheaper to act as a market maker) but better stability (since an algorithm screwing up can be stopped during the 15 min interval).
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by kasey_junk on Friday April 03, 2015 @02:36PM (#9317562)
There are actually academic findings that would make you think that is true. Unfortunately, those findings didn't take into account venue arbitrage, carry risk, or fees.
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by Yrlec on Friday April 03, 2015 @04:17PM (#9318209)
Interesting! Do you have any link where I can read more about it?
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by kasey_junk on Friday April 03, 2015 @04:33PM (#9318317)
Sure:

http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/eric.budish/research/HFT-Fre...

Note that this doesn't deal with the distributed systems problems of multiple exchanges so would require a universal exchange monopoly (ie an impossible and unwanted condition).

Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by kasey_junk on Friday April 03, 2015 @02:34PM (#9317551)
There are exchanges with batch auctions or batch auction time periods. They don't prevent algorithmic shenanigans in practice, they are some of the most gamed exchanges there are.

Batch auctions in and of themselves do not mitigate latency advantage because the people that propose them never remember 2 things:

1) venue arbitrage - not only does the exchange have to batch all the trades on its book, it has to coordinate that with all the other exchanges.

2) tiebreakers - if in a given auction you have more people on 1 side of a price than on the other (more people offering to buy at x than people willing to sell for instance) who gets to trade?

Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by curiouscats on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:30AM (#9316404)
That is similar to some of the sensible suggestions to reduce the front running gains high frequency traders extract from the market. I can't remember the details but even just pooling them by the second or something like that.
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by shillster on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:45AM (#9316481)
A great deal of effort is currently being expended to algorithmically detect sarcasm, its a real problem.
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by option on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:29AM (#9316397)
When I read this my only thought is that algorithms aren't good enough yet. Fundamentally I see no reasons why 99% of brokers and human traders can't be replaced with algorithms.