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Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by georgeecollins on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:04AM (#9316260)
Humor may be a great way for humans to battle newsbots and computer traders.
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by mikeash on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:34AM (#9316423)
This could make for a novel CAPTCHA technique. "Choose the joke in the following options."
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by vuldin on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:47AM (#9316491)
That would be interesting. The use of sarcaasm also seems to be a great way to foil these algorithms.
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by akeck on Friday April 03, 2015 @12:10PM (#9316660)
SarCaptcha:

1) This is a sentence.

2) This captcha is on this page.

3) This captcha is super awesome.

Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by ewindisch on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:56AM (#9316560)
Autistics would fail this, no?
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by cbhl on Friday April 03, 2015 @12:20PM (#9316712)
They're not real people anyway. [/sarcasm]
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by TheLoneWolfling on Friday April 03, 2015 @12:09PM (#9316650)
I've seen "choose the absurdity" before.
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by melling on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:49AM (#9316507)
I don't get it. Knock knock...
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by 6d0debc071 on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:15AM (#9316324)
One thing that I wondered about with automated trading was whether it might make sense to have a rate-limited marketplace. Somewhere that caches trades received over a given time period and then executes them 'simultaneously' (or at least without preference for the order they were received in)....
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by Yrlec on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:45AM (#9316482)
I'd love to see a stock market with a call auction every 15th min 24/7. It just doesn't make sense to have no trading at all during weekends and then claim that sub-millisecond execution is necessary when the market is open. The risk for the market maker shouldn't be much higher but the resources required to provide liquidity are much lower (no need to hire lots of developers to optimize your code). I wouldn't be surprised if a market like that would have tighter spreads (since it's cheaper to act as a market maker) but better stability (since an algorithm screwing up can be stopped during the 15 min interval).
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by kasey_junk on Friday April 03, 2015 @02:36PM (#9317562)
There are actually academic findings that would make you think that is true. Unfortunately, those findings didn't take into account venue arbitrage, carry risk, or fees.
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by Yrlec on Friday April 03, 2015 @04:17PM (#9318209)
Interesting! Do you have any link where I can read more about it?
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by kasey_junk on Friday April 03, 2015 @04:33PM (#9318317)
Sure:

http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/eric.budish/research/HFT-Fre...

Note that this doesn't deal with the distributed systems problems of multiple exchanges so would require a universal exchange monopoly (ie an impossible and unwanted condition).

Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by kasey_junk on Friday April 03, 2015 @02:34PM (#9317551)
There are exchanges with batch auctions or batch auction time periods. They don't prevent algorithmic shenanigans in practice, they are some of the most gamed exchanges there are.

Batch auctions in and of themselves do not mitigate latency advantage because the people that propose them never remember 2 things:

1) venue arbitrage - not only does the exchange have to batch all the trades on its book, it has to coordinate that with all the other exchanges.

2) tiebreakers - if in a given auction you have more people on 1 side of a price than on the other (more people offering to buy at x than people willing to sell for instance) who gets to trade?

Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by curiouscats on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:30AM (#9316404)
That is similar to some of the sensible suggestions to reduce the front running gains high frequency traders extract from the market. I can't remember the details but even just pooling them by the second or something like that.
Re:Tesla Stockholders Can't Take a Joke by shillster on Friday April 03, 2015 @11:45AM (#9316481)
A great deal of effort is currently being expended to algorithmically detect sarcasm, its a real problem.