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Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by agarden on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @11:14AM (#9138431)
I think this anecdote might help explain Jobs's success.

There is a tendency when one is running or developing a product to convince yourself that your efforts are producing a genuinely good product that your customers will like. Frequently that isn't true, and the product is rightly trashed by the outsiders. The thing is, the people on the inside would have trashed it too if they had not been insiders.

Jobs seems to have had the ability to resist this self-deception. He was ruthlessly honest about how good the things Apple was making actually were and not at all afraid to reject things because some aspect was poor.

Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by Dylan16807 on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @02:10PM (#9139861)
Being able to tell the difference between the tiniest of arbitrary changes doesn't mean it's better. The anecdote could equally show how he's pointlessly stubborn.

All the praise in your comment only really works if the change is a clear improvement.

Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by LanceH on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @11:56AM (#9138758)
He really nailed it with the mouse.
Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by mhurron on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @01:10PM (#9139386)
Yep, this thing was beautiful

http://cdn.mactrast.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/2012-11-2...

Apples design is hit and miss like everyone else.

Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by analog31 on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @01:22PM (#9139508)
My carpal tunnels ache just looking at it.
Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by graeme on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @01:47PM (#9139696)
I agree with you. I could never use Apple mice. I hurt my arm muscles typing a few years back. Haven't been able to use them since.

(fixed the arm problem with physio and massage)

However, the apple trackpad on my macbook air seems to work great. I like this more than even ordinary mice, which can sometimes aggravate the issue.

Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by yellowapple on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @08:06PM (#9142056)
I personally swear by Logitech's trackball mice (the ones where the trackball is operated with the thumb); less wrist movement involved, meaning less strain there.

In contrast, my wrist hurts just thinking about the Mighty Mouse or whatever it's called.

Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by protomyth on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @08:48PM (#9142196)
I was very unhappy to find they don't sell the wired version anymore, only the non-Bluetooth wireless. Glad I bought a couple.
Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by Turing_Machine on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @11:01PM (#9142576)
Yes and yes. I hate it when I find a product that's perfect for my needs and then it gets discontinued. The Logitech trackball was one of them. It's one of those tools that (after you get used to it) just becomes an extension of your hand.

The wireless (which is what I'm using at the moment) is okay, but it's not the same.

I've got some dead ones in the junk pile. When I get some time I'm going to see if I can cobble together a working unit from them.

Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by mjcohen on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @11:07PM (#9142592)
I have both, and I prefer the wireless. No cords, the battery lasts a long time, and I can program it on my Mac so that, when using Chrome, the extra buttons click on a link, open the link in a new tab, and switch to that tab.

When will Chrome offer the option of switching to a new tab when its link is clicked on? Firefox has had it forever.

Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by 59nadir on Wednesday March 04, 2015 @02:11AM (#9143086)
> When will Chrome offer the option of switching to a new tab when its link is clicked on? Firefox has had it forever.

When will the big browsers be programmable? I'm currently running uzbl[0] because I want to set my own hotkeys in my browser. I tried 4 different 'emacs bindings' extensions for other browsers until I just figured out that none of these is gonna get it completely right.

The good thing in all of this is that I now control the behavior and features of my browser myself. I've made features that wouldn't even be possible in Firefox/Chrome. Not because it should be all that hard, but because they just don't let you actually do anything with them.

Browsers are pretty much like e-mail clients. They all suck. Some suck less than others, but it's actually striking how bad the sum total of all the browsers' usability is. Ironically I had to switch to a browser that wasn't trying to be a modern browser to get the browser experience that I wanted.

Links: [0] - http://www.uzbl.org/

Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by wooger on Wednesday March 04, 2015 @12:24PM (#9145783)
If you tried pentadactyl / vimperator extensions for Firefox I'd be surprised if you found anything you couldn't program that you can acheve in uzbl.
Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by 59nadir on Thursday March 05, 2015 @12:52PM (#9152460)
With uzbl I can interface with literally any program on my computer capable of text input/output, so I am hard pressed to see how this claim holds up. This means, obviously, that it's mostly trivial to write bash/perl/whatever scripts/programs for useful browser features.

Like I said, I had to turn away from everything that tried to be a modern browser to realize that most modern browsers are shit, FF/Chrome with these extensions included. Browsers have not evolved well and are mostly designed to be huge monoliths with little to no transparency and programmability. Vimperator and pentadactyl don't remedy this.

Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by eru on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @11:14PM (#9142615)
I hope I'll find some second-hand, when mine dies.
Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by ptevans on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @09:18PM (#9142289)
Also, trackpads encourage good coding hygiene. Which is say continously using them makes a horrific sweaty mess, so you stay with the keyboard and keep coding. (Unless you really really like w3)

Also I thought "hockey puck mouse" was an old DEC mouse. Dec as in, "my Vaxstation is better than your Mac, cause it has a mouse AND it's still a VAX." (I still like saying "VAX" Side-effect: I start SHIFTING INTO ALL CAPS. )

Paul

Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by analog31 on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @11:27PM (#9142657)
I find that variety helps: Use one thing for a while, then use something else. Right now I love my little notebook computer with a touch screen. That, and a good trackpad, allow me to keep my hands in a neutral position, which is like a loosely closed fist with the index fingers pointing outward.

My other issue is eyestrain. I can type text without looking at the screen, so I tend to prefer text based interfaces. And keyboard shortcuts are a way to rest from overuse of pointing devices. (i.e., overuse of our bodies)

Remember the urban legend about the QWERTY keyboard, that it was designed to slow us down in order to distract us from how slow typewriters were? Sometimes I wonder if the modern GUI has turned into something like that: Simple tasks require us to control the computer's sequence of operations through extensive manual and ocular labor, rather than us just telling it what we want it to do.

Just a weird thought, offered for amusement.

Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by leppr on Wednesday March 04, 2015 @12:37AM (#9142865)
That's because your upper-arm length is disproportionately different from Steve Jobs'. Apple doesn't design for the handicapped.
Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by sambeau on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @03:35PM (#9140530)
I loved that mouse. It was the most comfortable mouse I ever had and, if held correctly, you could fling it about with real accuracy.

I was sad when they replaced it.

Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by chipotle_coyote on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @01:18PM (#9139468)
There are some people who really love Apple's mice, even the notorious "hockey puck" one. (Which to be fair was actually pretty comfortable to use, assuming you ever got the damn thing pointing the right way.) I'm not one of them, but I'm not really a huge fan of mice, period -- and their current weirdo mouse-with-touch-surface certainly offers a lot of gesture control, and it's not that uncomfortable. (Granted, "The Apple Mouse: Hey, you've used worse" isn't a very compelling slogan.)
Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by leoc on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @01:35PM (#9139601)
The hockey-puck mouse would have been a lot nicer to use had it been wireless. The small, round body didn't provide a good grip for wrestling with that stiff cable.
Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by jjoonathan on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @03:57PM (#9140698)
> even the notorious "hockey puck" one

I've always wondered why people hate on it so much -- even if someone prefers to point with their arm rather than their fingers, surely they can understand the appeal of using fingers to point at things?

Re:“Just remove the duck” (2013) by sukilot on Tuesday March 03, 2015 @04:44PM (#9140988)
Fingerpointing is touchscreen. The puck mouse was just awkward pushing with fingers.