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Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by slang800 on Saturday February 07, 2015 @01:33AM (#9013286)
And through all this effort to "protect their content", they still haven't managed to stop people from bypassing the DRM and giving the videos away for free in torrents.

I have a hard time seeing how implementing DRM provides any value to media companies, other than a false sense of security.

Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by quadrangle on Saturday February 07, 2015 @02:21AM (#9013359)
The purpose if DRM is not to stop people from illegally copying. The purpose is to control and manipulate the legal users and limit their freedoms they would otherwise legally.

Yes, DRM developers lie to us and claim that this is about stopping infringement. But that's only a pretense. They know that it only impacts non-infringing users. But they like having more control and power over the non-infringing users.

See http://www.defectivebydesign.org/faq#purpose

Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by Rapzid on Saturday February 07, 2015 @03:46AM (#9013494)
Accurate. Here are some wonderfully managed rights brought to you by DRM:

* What devices and equipment can view it

* Time limits on watching

* Regional lockouts

* Time shifted viewing

The movie industry fights tooth and nail to "manage" our rights, not just with DRM by plain RM. In NZ for example there is a ban on parallel importing films for a period after release! Here is something interesting: http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/pb/debates/debates/50HansD_20.... Choice quote: "The 5-month ban will effectively give cinemas a further 1 or 2 months to exclusively screen films without competition.". Feast your eyes on the pandering! There is no "transition" period going on. It's the movie theatres using laws to prop up their new business model of stealing 20 minutes of your time and selling it to advertisers, after taking 20NZD admission.

Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by briandear on Saturday February 07, 2015 @06:24AM (#9013689)
It's interesting because this sounds very similar to control legislation in terms of which citizens it affects while not having much effect on criminals who, by definition don't care about the law.

I think your point is exactly correct, DRM does little, if anything from stopping illegitimate actors, but it does serve to manipulate and control legitimate users (for example preventing them from using the DRM content on certain devices, thus requiring them to potentially purchae it again.)

Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by snowwrestler on Saturday February 07, 2015 @01:40PM (#9014854)
I know this is a popular way to frame the argument against DRM, but I have never actually seen any evidence that DRM companies actually think this way. I mean like a quote from an executive, or an internal memo, or even an anonymous statement from an employee.

I think it's a much simpler explanation that companies really do hope that DRM will reduce casual illegal copying and sharing, even though they know it can't absolutely stop determined people.

Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by kmonsen on Saturday February 07, 2015 @02:56AM (#9013413)
That is also the purpose of door locks btw, and I am assuming you have one of those on your door.
Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by rakoo on Saturday February 07, 2015 @10:00AM (#9014134)
Wrong. DRM is a tool of the distributor against the user (remember: when you have a DVD, you don't own the content; you only have a license to view its content under certain rules. DRMs make sure you follow these rules).

The lock is a tool of the user against third-parties.

Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by zanny on Saturday February 07, 2015 @12:06PM (#9014545)
The analogous door lock on your computer is your firewall or USB autostart permissions or an encrypted hard drive.
Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by quadrangle on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @12:16PM (#9034053)
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/04/doctorows-law

Doctorow's Law: "Anytime someone puts a lock on something you own, against your wishes, and doesn't give you the key, they're not doing it for your benefit."

A lock you have the key to is nothing like DRM.

Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by fnordfnordfnord on Saturday February 07, 2015 @08:45AM (#9013926)
It's not the purpose of door locks, it's the result. It's true enough that locks keep honest thieves out; the also keep the lazy ones out. Another practical result of a door lock is that it slows the attacker, hopefully enough that the occupants can react.
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Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by eridius on Saturday February 07, 2015 @03:34AM (#9013475)
Prison locks != home door locks.

kmonsen is making the point that door locks on homes don't actually stop determined burglars. The only reason they work is because most people are relatively honest and aren't willing to take the step of breaking the lock (however trivial that may be), even if they'd otherwise happily open an unlocked door and walk in.

Not only that, but the fact that a door is locked almost certainly has legal implications for trespassers (though I don't know if that's really applicable to house door locks as much as it might be to locks on doors leading from public areas of commercial buildings to private ones).

Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by kmonsen on Saturday February 07, 2015 @03:52AM (#9013508)
Thanks for improving my point :-)
Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by bjelkeman-again on Saturday February 07, 2015 @02:23AM (#9013363)
Corporate execs, politicians or government officials rarely look at the world with the same eyes as someone who reads HN. They belive that DRM provides value as otherwise pirating content will be rife. It is sort of built into most of these peoples world view, in a similar way that hard nosed capitalism is nearly the only viable narrative for a lot of them.
Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by vlad003 on Saturday February 07, 2015 @01:37AM (#9013292)
It's possible the false sense of security is worth more than people think. It lets them say "hey, we tried".
Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by jeremyjh on Saturday February 07, 2015 @08:58AM (#9013964)
I think this is a very important point. These media companies have not been able to extract as much rent from their IP as they could ten years ago, and their shareholders are not happy about that. They absolutely have to try something.
Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by geofft on Saturday February 07, 2015 @01:49AM (#9013310)
Certain companies have been extraordinarily interested in implementing WebCrypto without mandating HTTPS. Which is to say, a man-in-the-middle attacker could trivially modify the JS that calls WebCrypto and cause different operations to be performed.

My suspicion is that they have contractual agreements with the non-technical folks in the studios that they have to "encrypt" content, and the technically-competent redistributor has no direct interest in the crypto being sound. If the API gave them 256-bit military-grade AES encryption, but only in ECB mode, they'd probably use it.

Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by pkulak on Saturday February 07, 2015 @01:51AM (#9013312)
Right click -> Save As is a tad easier than finding a torrent.
Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by AnthonyMouse on Saturday February 07, 2015 @02:04AM (#9013337)
Right click -> Save As is only possible after you've paid.
Re:YouTube Ditches Flash, and It Hardly Matters by anigbrowl on Saturday February 07, 2015 @02:59AM (#9013416)
This overlooks what happens subsequent to the Save As, eg watching it again if you had only paid for a rental or distributing it to other people, which would be a serious infringement.