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Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by dcole2929 on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:03AM (#9009574)
Seriously are $250,000 signing bonuses and 60% pay increases common in the valley. What level employee is this for. Clearly I'm doing something wrong or need to move to SV asap because I've never heard of that kind of pay here on the east coast outside of maybe NYC
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by EC1 on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:11AM (#9009626)
It's like Facebook. You never hear of the boring meals and activities. It's only at most 0.001% of a persons day, the crap they share.

That's how I feel about HN. Theres a large percentage of quality talent that comes here, as well as bullshitters. That combined gives you the illusion that you are stranded in the wrong hemisphere, when in reality 99% of us are here.

That situation is the 1%.

Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by yuncun on Friday February 06, 2015 @12:48PM (#9010325)
Thanks for your perspective. As a new grad, I sometimes feel guilty reading HN comments because I'll dwell on why I couldn't also "go to MIT and make a startup at age 22" or some nonsense. It's good to hear that not everyone here is a 10k-a-day coding savant.
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by archagon on Friday February 06, 2015 @12:56PM (#9010393)
There should be a SlackerNews for the rest of us. :)
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by HeyLaughingBoy on Friday February 06, 2015 @02:57PM (#9011164)
Sign me up!!!
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by EC1 on Friday February 06, 2015 @01:50PM (#9010753)
With headlines like

"32 year old developer launches feature after a grueling 8 weeks"

or

"Entire company extremely surprised to see Mike come in on a Monday after last Friday's firing round"

Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by alain94040 on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:34AM (#9009759)
Keep in mind that in the press, a "low level employee" is a senior director or vice-president. Not an engineer, nor a senior engineer. That's why the numbers you see feel so far off.
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by mathattack on Friday February 06, 2015 @12:14PM (#9010029)
Remember that the signing bonuses are often to pay people for equity that they're walking away from. This isn't common in east coast tech, but it used to be very common in financial services. 60% pay hikes - well, you have to get out of the cost-plus model of talent. If the 20 best engineers will dramatically increase your chance of getting to a $20 billion valuation, then the money being quoted is actually rather small. If the same guys are installing ERP systems on an hourly rate for a large company like E&Y, of course their value is much less.
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by pkaye on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:10AM (#9009621)
Why do you think real estate is unaffordable is some parts of the Bay Area? Some people are getting sky high pay and bonuses.
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by hugs on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:35AM (#9009764)
As they say: It's not how much you make, it's how much you keep.
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by frozenport on Friday February 06, 2015 @01:07PM (#9010469)
Or because of zoning restrictions.
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by hkarthik on Friday February 06, 2015 @12:52PM (#9010366)
They have become quite common now at the top tech companies.

Keep in mind, $250K doesn't go very far when real estate like this is considered a "bargain": https://www.redfin.com/CA/Cupertino/1157-S-Stelling-Rd-95014...

Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by HeyLaughingBoy on Friday February 06, 2015 @03:04PM (#9011190)
At $250k/year you can barely afford that house. I knew abstractly that SV real estate was expensive, but presented with a 1100 sq ft house on a medium size lot for $1.2M almost gave me a heart attack.

I know I live out in the sticks, but seriously the only house I know of that costs that much around here is 11,000 sq ft, on 30 acres of land and has both indoor and outdoor pools, a movie theater room and a gym.

Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by smeyer on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:39AM (#9009793)
I know people on the east coast with $100k signing bonuses straight out of college. There are definitely coastal differences, but I don't think it's impossible to find some examples on the east coast as well.
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by aswanson on Friday February 06, 2015 @12:23PM (#9010104)
From what schools, from what companies?
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by smeyer on Friday February 06, 2015 @12:26PM (#9010135)
I went to Harvard, so most of the examples I know are from Harvard at the common hot employers. I know of some examples from other schools, though. It's also often the case that not all hires get a six figure signing bonus at a particular company from a particular school, but just some of the people at the top of the pay spectrum.
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by dcole2929 on Friday February 06, 2015 @01:05PM (#9010451)
But is this in tech? I know several people who have gotten these type of offers but they have almost all be exclusively in the financial sector. And even more so in trading type positions as quants or analysts.
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by smeyer on Friday February 06, 2015 @01:56PM (#9010806)
Yes, in tech. Your typical Googamafacesoft type companies. There are people with similar offers in finance, but they're not to whom I was referring in the earlier comment.
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by Nicholas_C on Friday February 06, 2015 @01:21PM (#9010575)
Off-topic: Any advice for a business school hopeful? I'm a financial analyst for a tech company but want to move into management/strategy consulting.
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by foobarqux on Friday February 06, 2015 @04:34PM (#9011693)
Cash or vesting equity?
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by smeyer on Friday February 06, 2015 @05:58PM (#9012146)
The 100k was in reference to cash. I know people who have gotten up to $500k in vesting equity upon graduation.
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by sukilot on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:11AM (#9009627)
Increases relative to what?
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by dreamweapon on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:07AM (#9009602)
Seriously are $250,000 signing bonuses and 60% pay increases common in the valley. What level employee is this for.

The kind that use proper spelling and punctuation, perhaps?

Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by DontBeADick on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:11AM (#9009628)
> The kind that use proper spelling and punctuation, perhaps?

Don't you mean "the kind who use proper spelling"?

If you're going to correct someone, at least get it right.

Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by mikeash on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:17AM (#9009664)
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by dreamweapon on Friday February 06, 2015 @12:10PM (#9010003)
Don't you mean "the kind who use proper spelling"?

No. Both "who" and "that" may be used to anchor relative clauses with human antecedents. To quote [1]:

Most writers use 'that' and 'which' as the relative pronouns for inanimate objects, and who as the relative pronoun for humans. This widespread habit has led to the mistaken belief that using that in reference to humans is an error. In fact, while most editors prefer who for people, there is no rule saying we can’t use that, and that has been widely used in reference to people for many centuries.

In other words, my original sentence was perfectly grammatical, and in regard to the original commenter's presentation skills -- and their correlation to his employability and salary potential -- I was simply stating the obvious. But this being HN, I've been downvoted and/or flamed at least 8 times for it.

[1] http://grammarist.com/usage/that-who/

Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by cgh on Friday February 06, 2015 @12:53PM (#9010367)
Both the Associated Press Stylebook and the Chicago Manual of Style recommend spelling out numbers less than nine and ninety-nine, respectively.
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by sp332 on Friday February 06, 2015 @01:15PM (#9010535)
That's just a style recommendation. It doesn't mean that doing it the other way is wrong.
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by dreamweapon on Friday February 06, 2015 @01:24PM (#9010597)
Which is, of course, hardly a comparable proscription.

Nor is it widely adhered to, in colloquial usage.

Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by pswilson14 on Friday February 06, 2015 @11:10AM (#9009622)
Right, because no talented engineer has ever spoken anything less than perfect english.
Re:Want Elon Musk to Hire You at Tesla? Work for Apple by dreamweapon on Friday February 06, 2015 @12:41PM (#9010270)
That's not what I was saying. Nor is it implied by what I was saying.