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Re:The debit card fee driving US banks crazy by Someone1234 on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @04:47PM (#8956217)
I've used both the UK and US.

Electronic payments in the US are painful and slow. They often don't work at all on weekends, and certainly don't have the 2-3 hour speed of the "Faster Payments" system in the UK (which is often borderline instant).

Banks actually intentionally make it a real pain in the butt to send money to another bank, and stupidly easy to send money between accounts linked at the same bank. Last time we needed to set that up it took almost an hour, because of how they confusingly set up the UI and naming. Then the payment took a full 7 day week to arrive in the other party's account.

Plus in the US you have to have $1500 in a savings account (almost 0% interest "savings") and pay in your pay cheque and jump through a million other hoops just to get a free current (checking) account. So you'd assume the fees would be lower and customer service better? NOPE. Fees are higher than the UK, and CS is worse.

Everyone keeps saying "join USAA!" but unfortunately they closed the loophole that allowed non-military to sign up for a checking account right before I could. So no dice. Traditional banks are just horrible in the US, just awful, it cannot be overstated.

Re:The debit card fee driving US banks crazy by adventured on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @05:27PM (#8956531)
You're incorrect about the cost of accounts. I can have $2 in my checking or savings account, and there are no fees. I've never had a bank account that cost me money to keep. I also don't have to jump through any hoops, I merely walked into the bank and signed up for an account. Zero cost, zero hassle.

I'm also not sure what electronic payments you're referring to (transfers to others?). I deposit money and it shows up instantly. I buy something from Amazon.com via a Visa card attached to my checking account and it shows up instantly on my account.

Re:The debit card fee driving US banks crazy by UrMomReadsHN on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @05:44PM (#8956649)
>I'm also not sure what electronic payments you're referring to (transfers to others?)

I transfer money to and from my bank accounts using ACH transfers. It typically takes a few days for those to clear.

Re:The debit card fee driving US banks crazy by Terr_ on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @05:05PM (#8956347)
> Banks actually intentionally make it a real pain in the butt to send money to another bank, and stupidly easy to send money between accounts linked at the same bank.

If something is wrong or fraudulent (such as, say, exploiting a race condition in how transactions are handled) it's much much easier to arbitrate or reverse everything in-house.

I'd wager a lot of people here have--one time or another--written a bit of code saying "sleep X seconds to be safe", or "wait until you confirm Y had no errors". Same kind of idea.

Re:The debit card fee driving US banks crazy by Someone1234 on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @05:24PM (#8956513)
I should have been clearer, it is a UI issue, rather than just a speed issue. Sure, bank to bank is slower, but the UI to send out of your own bank is designed to be as hard to do as they can get away with (e.g. I have to "pay a bill" and then instead of searching for the "company" I have to search and let it fail, and only then will it let me manually enter the other party's bank account info in raw text boxes).
Re:The debit card fee driving US banks crazy by UrMomReadsHN on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @05:06PM (#8956351)
I've never had a problem getting an actual, real, free checking account. I actually have several. (4 at the moment... don't ask) And 3 of them have free paper checks as well.
Re:The debit card fee driving US banks crazy by Someone1234 on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @05:26PM (#8956521)
Congratulations for you.

I don't see your point? I didn't say it was hard to get a free checking account, I said they make you jump through hoops and open a bunch of related products so they'll waive the $10-15/month fee.

Re:The debit card fee driving US banks crazy by UrMomReadsHN on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @05:36PM (#8956597)
>I said they make you jump through hoops and open a bunch of related products so they'll waive the $10-15/month fee.

That hasn't been my personal experience. I've never had to jump through hoops or have a minimum balance.

I'm just sharing my experience which is apparently different from yours.

Oh wait... I had to pay a one time $5 fee to join one of my local credit unions.

Re:The debit card fee driving US banks crazy by warble on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @06:14PM (#8956829)
that agrees with my experience. Simple.com for example. Super easy and a great service. No paper checks, but there are others with paper checks. No jumping through hoops.

They don't have brick and mortar offices, but I don't miss it.

A while back I even found someone offering business accounts for free.

Re:The debit card fee driving US banks crazy by marssaxman on Tuesday January 27, 2015 @06:44PM (#8956982)
Credit unions can't help with the abysmal transfer situation but at least they aren't out to get you at every turn.