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Re:Run a script when police raid your house by fencepost on Friday January 23, 2015 @11:15AM (#8935575)
Frankly, if I were in a place or doing activities where I thought a police raid was a significant possibility, I'd MUCH rather have something that would trigger video AND AUDIO recording from multiple cameras in the house, placed in locations where they wouldn't be "accidentally" knocked over or otherwise destroyed and with the data going offsite immediately via any of several channels (e.g. home network, home wifi, neighbor wifi, public/semipublic wifi (e.g. "xfinitywifi"), LTE phone).

Alternately, always have the recording going to something local, but trigger offsiting it with something like this and otherwise have a very limited timeframe for keeping it.

The other VERY VERY important piece of this I suspect would be notices posted at every possible entrance to the house, something like "Video and audio recording occur on these premises. By entering, you consent to this recording and to the use and public disclosure of these recordings. If you do not consent to these recording, use and disclosure policies, please call (xxx) xxx-xxxx and schedule an appointment." Perhaps I should call this a kick-through license - I'm not sure it'd stand up, but I suspect you'd have a pretty decent chance of that.

Of course, I'm boring, not inclined to activities likely to inspire either police interest or SWATing, and I live in a mostly-white townhouse community in the 'burbs. My most likely home invasion would be because "you are in a maze of twisty drives and townhouse units, all alike."

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by ryanmarsh on Friday January 23, 2015 @11:28AM (#8935649)
It's probably my PTSD but my biggest fear is getting raided by SWAT in a "wrong house" mixup or for some other stupid reason. In such an instance I would likely kill one or more of them. I have a family in my house that could be injured by them in the process. I've always wanted a camera system that had remote encrypted storage so I could prove the truth in court.

I just re-read this comment and I'm clearly nuts.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by bithush on Friday January 23, 2015 @11:30AM (#8935663)
If you live in a "no knock" state you are not nuts at all. I am from the UK and think the whole no knock thing is insane when everyone has easy access to guns (both legally and illegally). It is just asking for people to die.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by ryanmarsh on Friday January 23, 2015 @11:50AM (#8935802)
It really is. It works most of the time for the same reason it works in war, you have the element of surprise. In a population of ordinary citizens you aren't likely to encounter much trouble kicking in doors at 2am. It works for criminals after all.

But things are a little different in the US because there are lots of keyed-up gun owning vets that spent most of their military service conducting urban warfare.

Put simply, you cannot just roll up on me like that. Just knock on the door politely and I'll come out and chat. Kick in my door like a home-invasion robbery and I'll follow my training without thought.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by samspot on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:12PM (#8935941)
Yeah, unless you are a wanted criminal, there is no reason to assume the people breaking into your house are the police. I didn't even know they did that before reading the flashbang article a few weeks ago: https://www.propublica.org/article/flashbangs
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by ChuckMcM on Friday January 23, 2015 @11:38AM (#8935719)
Its for this reason I would seriously consider making my house 'no knock' safe if I were to build it from scratch. I worry about the conversation starting with "get down police!" rather than something more civil. And it seems you could design a house that would not easily be 'breached' which would mean any unplanned entry would take time and be noisy. Allowing you to start a dialog with the people trying to come in before anyone is in danger of being shot.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by biot on Friday January 23, 2015 @11:59AM (#8935874)
Just keep in mind that such a house's protection against easy breaches by police (who, in a no-knock scenario, will be equipped for a breach) also prevents easy breaches by ambulance or fire crews. What if you're only able to call for help but you are incapacitated prior to being able to unlock your fortress?
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by ryanmarsh on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:19PM (#8935980)
So I guess that means no claymores planted in the yard. Dang.

Seriously though, this is a real concern. How do you build a house that is raid proof but that can be accessed by the fire dept? Maybe we should push the context of the problem back a little bit and ask: how do we de-escalate the police state in the U.S.?

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by fencepost on Friday January 23, 2015 @01:12PM (#8936291)
De-escalation is part of why I'd want that kind of camera system - the signs would serve a dual purpose, A) notifying and hopefully at least heavily clouding charges of "he had no legal right to record, we weren't in a public place, charge him with wiretapping" (I'm in Illinois which is an all-party-consent state) and B) putting police on notice that even if they aren't using body cameras (or they're prone to "malfunction") there will still be recordings.

Given the apparent change in officer behavior that accompanies body camera use, perhaps having explicitly noted video and audio surveillance disclosed in advance will serve a similar purpose.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by jbinto on Friday January 23, 2015 @01:48PM (#8936484)
> I'm in Illinois which is an all-party-consent state

It looks like this was overturned in 2014.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_wiretapping_law#Court_...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014...

n.b. I learned about this in a recent episode of "The Good Wife". I am Canadian.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by fencepost on Saturday January 24, 2015 @06:18PM (#8941429)
The relevant part in those cites is "public places" - previously it was illegal to record police even standing on the sidewalk. Technically a news crew doing "man on the street" interviews would have been required to stop if an officer showed up.

The scenario we're covering here is for police inside your house, which I'm pretty sure wouldn't be considered public.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by maxerickson on Friday January 23, 2015 @06:55PM (#8938140)
Flood stilts seem like they would do a lot to complicate surprise entry.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by ryanmarsh on Friday January 23, 2015 @11:46AM (#8935776)
Were I to build a new house, yes, I've planned to do this. Jesus I sound nuttier by the minute.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by robertfw on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:58PM (#8936234)
You're not insane; it's the society we live in that is insane!
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by digler990 on Friday January 23, 2015 @11:53AM (#8935823)
> you could design a house that would not easily be 'breached'

Most US homes have city and county building codes that regulate the number and height of windows, ostensibly for "fire rescue". Maybe you could evade this by buying a rural plot of land that is free of municipal code, but in that case you wouldn't need super security, just a long driveway with pressure sensors that alert you to anyone approaching.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by mixmax on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:12PM (#8935943)
boat windows are a good idea here. Typically they have a welded metal or aluminium frame and an inset of 6mm hardened glass. Some have a sandwich of several layers of lexan glued together. They come in all shapes and sizes, and can be custommade relatively cheaply. You can get ones that open from the inside. They have to be sturdy since at sea they need to be able to withstand a wave of several tons of water coming at them at full speed.

Good luck getting through that.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by PhantomGremlin on Saturday January 24, 2015 @03:10AM (#8939141)
One easy retrofit solution (though certainly not anywhere as secure as Lexan) is 3m Window Film. This will probably be good enough to keep flashbangs from being fired thru windows. http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Window_Film/Solu...

The ad copy on that page reads:

   Because these films help hold the glass together,
   a stronger barrier is created, slowing down
   criminals to the point where they may choose
   to flee for an easier target.
Sadly, there's often only a subtle difference between a violent criminal and a SWAT team member. The personality types are often quite similar.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by ryanmarsh on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:29PM (#8936041)
You wanna get shot in a raid? Try to going through a window. Go watch the Waco ATF raid footage.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by jacquesm on Friday January 23, 2015 @11:40AM (#8935735)
Living in a bunker gets old pretty quickly. No windows that can open either.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by ryanmarsh on Friday January 23, 2015 @11:55AM (#8935846)
Windows aren't really the problem. Windows are dangerous to be near for the raiding party. To raid proof a dwelling you need things that slow down entry, things that trip, bright lights or sounds that let a raiding party know they've lost the element of surprise, and some form of early warning before someone has reached a breach point such as a door.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by angersock on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:16PM (#8935963)
Had HPD stack up on an apartment I used to live at while I was gone...knocked once, roommate came out, and he managed to talk them out of raiding us. They really wanted the apartment down from us, which had been the alleged source of a bunch of burglaries in our complex.

If the roommate had had headphones on (was a metalhead and a gamer), things could've gone differently. We would've at least been out a door.

EDIT:

Fun fact--if I remember correctly, the first (maybe only?) confirmed kill with a P90 was by HPD SWAT.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by sukilot on Friday January 23, 2015 @02:51PM (#8936848)
Wow. The cops raided the victim's home in a burglary investigation? Way to completely miss the point, cops.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by ryanmarsh on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:22PM (#8936001)
HPD and HCSD, there's a reason they call Harris County the "hangin' county". Someone at ACLU told me Harris County Sheriffs Dept. has more shooting deaths per violent arrest than any other police force in the country.

Edit: "stack up" heh, fellow major league door kicker?

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by angersock on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:29PM (#8936046)
"You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride."

EDIT: No vocational door-kicking experience. :|

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by Recoil42 on Friday January 23, 2015 @11:33AM (#8935679)
Just curious, what is the root event (events?) of your PTSD?
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by ryanmarsh on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:11PM (#8935934)
IEDs, raids, ambushes
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by sukilot on Friday January 23, 2015 @02:45PM (#8936811)
You do not possess enough legal firepower, and probably don't have enough practice wih your equipment, to likely kill a member of a SWAT team and "hurt" yourself.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by c22 on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:11PM (#8935936)
I somehow doubt proving your innocence will be your (or your surviving family's) primary concern if you kill one or more raiding swat members.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by ryanmarsh on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:24PM (#8936012)
I meant in the event I survive.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by JonFish85 on Friday January 23, 2015 @11:31AM (#8935668)
"In such an instance I would likely kill one or more of them"

You may want to consider how to react differently in such a situation. That's definitely a fight you can't win, and indeed would probably lead to causing your loved ones more pain than it's worth. It's probably best to comply with order in the heat of the moment and later fight it in court. The outcome will be much, much better, I promise.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by ryanmarsh on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:04PM (#8935899)
Brother, my alarm went off in my house one night when I was in bed because of high winds outside. A door moved slightly in its jamb causing the sensor to trip. I was out the door with my gun and had circled and cleared the perimeter of the house before I knew what happened. My wife says I was screaming at the "intruders" to get out of my house the entire time. I do not remember this.

I mean no insult by saying this but you really just cannot understand what this is like unless you've lived it.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by scott00 on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:45PM (#8936163)
That sounds really scary. Have you considered keeping your gun outside the house? It seems like you could end up with a real tragedy on your hands if during the midst of a PTSD episode you mistook a loved one for an intruder.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by salemh on Friday January 23, 2015 @02:09PM (#8936606)
I don't have diagnosed PTSD, nor did I serve. But I have a REM sleeping disorder, where I act out dreams.

This has had me bolting out of an apartment flashlight in hand, yelling at things not there, beating up a wall (ouch), hitting glass and freaking out significant others.

No sleeping meds worked (Lunesta/Ambien intensified waking hallucinations) but Klonopin, as its just helping to reduce anxiety and keep me asleep.

Its a benzo, but just throwing it out there sir. Good luck.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by a3n on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:35PM (#8936087)
Sorry we made you go through that man. Even if you did volunteer.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by PhantomGremlin on Saturday January 24, 2015 @03:38AM (#8939172)
I don't know the details about the GP poster. But a lot of people didn't "volunteer" for as much service in Iraq or Afghanistan as they wound up doing.

Yes they initially volunteered but then "stop-loss" happened and they had to stay in the active military for far longer than they were originally told they would.

Also many people were serving in reserve units or the National Guard (aka "weekend warriors") and entire units wound up being sent to Iraq because we didn't have enough active duty soldiers.

There's a hard to use .mil website that has details.[1] E.g deaths just in "Operation Iraqi Freedom" (there are additional ME deaths not included):

   active duty    3502
   reserve         413
   National Guard  497
[1] https://www.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/pages/casualties.xhtml
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by a3n on Saturday January 24, 2015 @06:19PM (#8941431)
Not only that. Many reservists were called up to active, and then sent back to reserve a day or so before their year or whatever of active would have qualified them for full active benefits. In other words, essentially a full year of their lives were stolen, but they didn't get the benefits that were supposed to compensate for that year.

In our name.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by ryanmarsh on Saturday January 24, 2015 @01:12PM (#8940382)
I want no sympathy personally, and I really don't like the "hero" talk. Nobody I ever met in the infantry was oblivious to what they were getting themselves into. Especially not in the airborne. I mean really, they throw you out of airplanes with parachutes made by the lowest bidder. Everyone laughs about dying to cover the fear.

When you sign up they are very clear that the term of your enlistment is 8 years whether or not you serve 4 or 5 active. They can call you up anytime in that 8 years. It sucks but again it's not a violation of trust. Still being stop lossed to go back is hugely terrifying for guys ready to transition back to civilian life.

Some guys out there really need help. Fallujah and the Korengal were meat grinders. I haven't met a single guy who was boots on the ground there that isn't seriously messed up from it. We owe it to them to get the care they need but the VA is an absolute crime.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by PhantomGremlin on Saturday January 24, 2015 @05:44PM (#8941335)
> I haven't met a single guy who was boots on the ground there that isn't seriously messed up from it.

War is hell.

I remember hearing about neighbors who came back from Vietnam in around 1970, and they also suffered PTSD (of course I don't think we had that acronym then). And I knew an Army NCO (recipient of the Silver Star) who served two tours in Vietnam. He slept with a loaded .45 under his pillow, probably "cocked and locked" as they say (at least hopefully it was "locked"). And it wasn't because he lived in a bad neighborhood.

Its a shame that we still haven't figured out how to get help to those who need it, how to help ease those guys off that razor's edge that they needed to maintain in order to come back alive.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by a3n on Saturday January 24, 2015 @07:04PM (#8941556)
> When you sign up they are very clear that the term of your enlistment is 8 years whether or not you serve 4 or 5 active.

I was in for six, well back in the previous century. I don't recall having that explained to me when I joined, but it probably was. I did however learn before getting out after my six that I was still subject to recall until the eight year clock ran out.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by lhc- on Friday January 23, 2015 @11:39AM (#8935730)
I think the fear is less "f*ck the police" here, and more "an unknown entity is breaking into my house", which is a pretty justifiable response. If he knew it was the police, I don't think the first reaction would be to shoot them.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by mynameisvlad on Friday January 23, 2015 @11:41AM (#8935745)
He's clearly thought about it, he's just saying that due to (I assume) his military background and PTSD, the most likely outcome would be that he kills one of them.

It's very hard to not react in a particular way when it's what was ingrained as your method of survival in the field.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by ryanmarsh on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:07PM (#8935917)
Training is forgotten with time. Life experiences seared into your lizard brain never go away.

On that note The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg is a great book on the science of how this works.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by fencepost on Friday January 23, 2015 @01:31PM (#8936396)
I'll second Scott's question about whether you've considered keeping your gun outside the house.

Since you know that you react like that and are hopefully doing what you can to change that even if the VA is a mess, it seems to me that the responsible thing to do is also to preemptively mitigate the impact of those reactions, since you already know that your decision-making in the heat of the moment is going to be somewhat hard-wired in a bad direction by past experience.

Hell, even just keeping the guns in a gun safe well away from the bedroom would make a big difference. You with a gun become a target, do anything you can to avoid being that target because dead men can't use the video evidence in court.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by ryanmarsh on Saturday January 24, 2015 @02:38AM (#8939100)
I keep the guns really far out of reach so as to require enough time to come to my senses. I've also been through a lot of therapy since then and I'm not nearly as bad off.

Thank you for caring.

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by shaftoe on Friday January 23, 2015 @11:41AM (#8935746)
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by ryanmarsh on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:10PM (#8935931)
A woman and her children were locked in their house yesterday morning a few miles from me. Thugs kicked in her door early in the morning and robbed the house. Usually they kill/rape/beat the inhabitants. This is a real thing. Also, it's not like I live in a bad area. These are nice suburbs.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by jason_slack on Friday January 23, 2015 @01:55PM (#8936527)
Where is this they they kill/rape/beat the inhabitants? usually forced entry that is not their intent. Scare, grab and go...am I wrong?
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by sukilot on Friday January 23, 2015 @02:50PM (#8936838)
Parent poster has PTSD-related hyperbole. Home invasion rape and murder are hugely less common than burglary
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by ryanmarsh on Saturday January 24, 2015 @02:42AM (#8939106)
We have a problem in the area with home invasion robberies. Last week a woman was raped. A few months ago a family was executed. I'm not exaggerating. This is a thing out here. There is a task force focused on this type of crime but having met the group it's understaffed IMHO.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by pakled_engineer on Friday January 23, 2015 @12:18PM (#8935975)
Just hope the police can't remotely access your cameras and film you hacking the gibson :X

I've yet to read of a raid where somebody successfully destroyed all forensic evidence off their systems instead they usually idle in chat rooms and wait for the suspect to write 'brb coffee' or kick down the door while they are passed out with everything powered on like Max Vision

Re:Run a script when police raid your house by CurtMonash on Friday January 23, 2015 @09:59PM (#8938664)
Good post, but the real reason I upvoted was for the Zork reference. Well played!!!
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by fencepost on Saturday January 24, 2015 @06:21PM (#8941440)
I actually liked the "kick-through license" better, but thanks.
Re:Run a script when police raid your house by mk4p on Friday January 23, 2015 @01:50PM (#8936496)
It's crazy that the current environment is encouraging us to surveil ourselves.