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Re:A Career in Science Will Cost You Your Firstborn by dekhn on Friday January 09, 2015 @05:05PM (#8864805)
And throughout that time actuaries (the original data scientists) have had one of the best-paying and highest job satisfaction levels. Statisticians and data analysts have been in demand for a long time and likely will continue to be.
Re:A Career in Science Will Cost You Your Firstborn by dredmorbius on Saturday January 10, 2015 @11:38PM (#8869041)
True. I've worked with and for several over the years. It's rather an underappreciated career path.

That said, the business model for actuarial work typically hasn't been mining every last shred of individual and personal information (caveats, below) for retail advertising. Instead it's been measuring, tracking, and modeling risks within insurance, and many of the business lines don't concern individuals. You've got business, shipping, and industrial insurance, though yes, also life, healthcare, auto, home, and fire.

In particular, insurance is a fairly regulated market with exemptions from anti-trust collusion for the specific purpose of facilitating underwriting boards -- these are multi-company associations which pool risk data. It tends to make for a slightly less cut-throat competitive environment than IT. Also that personal data isn't bandied about quite so casually.

Though as I said, that's changing. I've been informed by industry insiders that a common practice now in automobile insurance is to purchase "smog reports" from states. These include a tremendous amount of data (most of it specific to vehicle performance), of which the salient element is the miles driven since the previous check. Turns out that your auto mileage is a significant risk predictor.

Though the fact that data gathered for one stated purpose (clean air) is being used for another (rate adjustment and fraud detection) is troubling.

Re:A Career in Science Will Cost You Your Firstborn by eru on Friday January 09, 2015 @09:10PM (#8865593)
Yes. Though keep in mind that actuaries are protected by big regulatory moats. An actuary is not someone who practices actuarial science, but someone who has a piece of paper saying that he can.
Re:A Career in Science Will Cost You Your Firstborn by actuary on Saturday January 10, 2015 @01:33PM (#8867471)
Nooo. No.

An actuary is someone who does actuarial work. Most people join the profession right out of college. They have no piece of paper other than their degree. They are still actuaries.

A credentialed actuary is someone who has gone through the entire educational system, which are a series of exams that are typically taken while working as an actuary. Credentials and the practice rights that come with them permit an actuary to do exactly one new thing. Only a credentialed actuary can opine on the adequacy of an insurance company's loss reserves (to make sure that the company has set aside enough money for all of the claims it will eventually have to pay).

Not many actuaries issue formal statements of actuarial opinion. All of the other work that we do can be legally done by anyone. There is nothing stopping an insurance company from hiring a large number of statisticians or whatever to do the day-to-day work, only bringing in a credentialed actuary to do the reserve opinion once a year. Companies generally don't do this because actuaries are more than just statisticians; they're business professionals with very deep domain knowledge. Credentialed actuaries command a premium in the marketplace not because of any "regulatory moats", but because the specialized education itself is very valuable. If that ever stops being the case then nothing is stopping the market from correcting itself.

Re:A Career in Science Will Cost You Your Firstborn by eru on Sunday January 11, 2015 @10:16PM (#8872346)
Yes, the truth is more nuanced than my flippant comment portrayed it. I considered becoming an actuary once, but decided against.
Re:A Career in Science Will Cost You Your Firstborn by aswanson on Friday January 09, 2015 @09:32PM (#8865643)
It really is hilarious that you actually have to have a certification to practice statistics. Think about how absurd that is. People write code that controls airplanes, medical devices, emi emissions...which are of course certified/regulated on a product basis. But to just apply stats...you need a certification. Something is wrong here.
Re:A Career in Science Will Cost You Your Firstborn by dekhn on Friday January 09, 2015 @10:10PM (#8865741)
I practice statistics all the time without a certificate. What are you talking about?
Re:A Career in Science Will Cost You Your Firstborn by aswanson on Friday January 09, 2015 @10:12PM (#8865748)
Re:A Career in Science Will Cost You Your Firstborn by dekhn on Friday January 09, 2015 @10:25PM (#8865782)
OK, so you just worded what you said above poorly. You implied that any practice of stats required certification. My comment covered both statisticians, and actuaries, but just used actuaries as an example.

Why does it matter that actuaries are certified? It's a professional role which requires dealing with some pretty heavy concepts. Employers presumably want to be sure that candidates meet some level of capabilities.

Re:A Career in Science Will Cost You Your Firstborn by dekhn on Friday January 09, 2015 @10:30PM (#8865803)
I guess I should add that the web world and modern data scientists kind of changed this but it was mostly because there were a bunch of smart PhDs who left academia and other companies to go work at rapidly growing startups, and their abilities helped grow the companies. Growing startups don't really care if their "Actuaries" don't have credentials other than beign able to monetize site data.