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Re:German court requires Google to stop ignoring customer em... by marcus_holmes on Friday September 12, 2014 @08:43AM (#8307671)
But google users aren't customers. Just because I use google to search for things doesn't make me a customer.

It doesn't say in the article, so does anyone know if the relevant German law requires free support? Can Google charge $500 per email to respond to user email, for example?

Re:German court requires Google to stop ignoring customer em... by rbehrends on Friday September 12, 2014 @09:09AM (#8307791)
(1) Google also offers other services, such as GMail and Google Docs.

(2) This is a requirement for anybody who offers services that are generally provided for a fee, even if in this particular instance it is offered for free (e.g. because it is financed through advertising or a freemium model). See §5 of the German Telemedia Act [1].

[1] http://www.cgerli.org/fileadmin/user_upload/interne_Dokument...

Re:German court requires Google to stop ignoring customer em... by readerrrr on Friday September 12, 2014 @09:14AM (#8307818)
Service providers must render the following information easily, directly and permanently accessible for telemedia which are offered commercially, generally in return for a FEE:

2. details which permit rapid electronic contact and direct communication with them, including the electronic mail address

( fee is emphasized by me )

I would argue that free services do not fall under this rule.

Re:German court requires Google to stop ignoring customer em... by rbehrends on Friday September 12, 2014 @10:23AM (#8308150)
Sorry, but both the case law and the legislative intent are pretty clear on that. Even free services fall under this rule if the type of service is generally provided for a fee, even if the specific service is free. The section is a fairly direct implementation of article 5 of EU Directive 2000/31/EC.
Re:German court requires Google to stop ignoring customer em... by readerrrr on Friday September 12, 2014 @11:15AM (#8308449)
EU directive is much clearer on the subject.

(c) the details of the service provider, including his electronic mail address, which allow him to be contacted rapidly and communicated with in a direct and effective manner;

Replying with an automated answer saying that actual human response is not an option, is certainly not direct and effective.

Re:German court requires Google to stop ignoring customer em... by hjlklhj on Friday September 12, 2014 @09:47AM (#8307957)
> commercially, GENERALLY in return for a fee

(generally is emphasized by me)

The argument can be made that showing someone ads in return for services is offering things commercially. C.f. free tv channels with ad-breaks.

Re:German court requires Google to stop ignoring customer em... by jordigh on Friday September 12, 2014 @09:26AM (#8307875)
> But google users aren't customers.

Y'know, I'm starting to question this oft-repeated adage. If websites are demanding that I watch their ads (although Google so far doesn't and lets me adblock in peace), then I'm a customer. I'm paying with my attention for the website's service. I'm doing something I wouldn't otherwise do in exchange for a service.

So I say people watching Google's ads are as much their customers as the people paying Google to put up those ads. If Google sufficiently angers either group, they lose business.

Re:German court requires Google to stop ignoring customer em... by marcus_holmes on Friday September 12, 2014 @07:47PM (#8311081)
I tend to agree, but if governments make laws that insist that customers be supported, then there needs to be distinction made between customers who pay money and who could be reasonably expected to be supported, and users who get a service for free and cannot reasonably expect support.
Re:German court requires Google to stop ignoring customer em... by Genmutant on Friday September 12, 2014 @08:46AM (#8307693)
It's not about free support, but the ability to contact them at all.