Re:Show HN: Find and Report Bed Bugs in North America
by idlewords on Sunday July 06, 2014 @04:41PM
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It looks like you scraped a bunch of data from my website (bedbugregistry.com) and put a different UI on it. That's pretty lame.
There are lots of worthy projects around bedbug tracking that you could do, particularly if you want to focus on specific cities. But please do the work yourself, and use your own data.
Re:Show HN: Find and Report Bed Bugs in North America
by Udo on Sunday July 06, 2014 @04:51PM
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Okay, as someone who doesn't know anything about both sites, a casual test (surveying results for Toronto, ON) does not suggest any data was lifted off your site. In fact, there is just one entry for all of Toronto on Bedbug Registry, whereas Bedbug Lookup seems to have dozens.
Of course it's possible that your search simply doesn't work, there are copious error messages on Bedbug Registry... Can you give more details about what you think was scraped from you?
At most BedbugLookup seems to be a superset of your site data.
Edit: seems the search on BBR is not working for me (and apparently for me only). Thanks for providing the links, I see that the data was indeed scraped. Not cool.
Re:Show HN: Find and Report Bed Bugs in North America
by caroyannis on Sunday July 06, 2014 @05:12PM
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Hey there! Sorry about that.
There wasn't any malicious intent, I certainly don't make any money off of this. I just made this project for fun because I thought it'd be useful to have aggregated data from other reporting websites.
Re:Show HN: Find and Report Bed Bugs in North America
by idlewords on Sunday July 06, 2014 @05:19PM
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I appreciate that, thank you. Part of my problem with aggregation is that it removes the ability for people to amend or rescind what they've posted, or for me to drop listings out of Google when there's a legitimate dispute. The bedbug life is 1% programming and 99% angry/despondent/litigious email.
Re:Show HN: Find and Report Bed Bugs in North America
by eps on Sunday July 06, 2014 @06:15PM
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> Sorry about that.
What?
You basically stole a bunch of data without attribution to forge the credibility of your service and now you are just waving it off as not a big deal? What's wrong with you? I see no other option but to flag you the hell off the front page.
Re:Show HN: Find and Report Bed Bugs in North America
by dobbsbob on Sunday July 06, 2014 @04:47PM
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This is needed, because the bedbugregistry seems abandoned and has submission errors where you can't add new entries to some addresses.
One problem is legal backlash, I would have hosted this overseas like the bedbugregistry did to prevent takedown notices and lawsuits.
This is helpful when dealing with lying landlords who claim there was never a problem until you moved in, so it must be something you did and refuse to pay for treatment, refund damage deposits and generally screw you over. Then you go on one of these bug registry sites and discover they've had bedbug infestations for years.
Re:Show HN: Find and Report Bed Bugs in North America
by gkop on Sunday July 06, 2014 @03:48PM
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As far as I can tell the bed bug claims and identities of the reporters are not independently verified. I have an incentive to false-report on a property I myself hope to subsequently rent or purchase in order to reduce the price I pay. How do you deal with my fraudulent reporting?
Re:Show HN: Find and Report Bed Bugs in North America
by caroyannis on Sunday July 06, 2014 @02:55PM
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This is a small project I'd started a couple months ago to help myself find and report bed bugs when apartment hunting. All of the other websites that are similar to this are either broken (don't allow you to submit new reports), or are confusing to navigate.
Re:Show HN: Find and Report Bed Bugs in North America
by fourstar on Sunday July 06, 2014 @04:11PM
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http://bedbugregistry.com is pretty easy to navigate and it's been around for almost 10 years. In fact, it looks like you're pulling the same data from there as well. Is that legal?
Re:Show HN: Find and Report Bed Bugs in North America
by caroyannis on Sunday July 06, 2014 @04:38PM
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For a lot of cities, that website is actually quite broken: you can't submit new addresses or reports.
In Vancouver, BC (where I'm from) you haven't been able to submit new reports for 2+ years unless you're using their iOS app. A majority of the website is outdated and I wanted to make a resource to fix that problem.
Re:Show HN: Find and Report Bed Bugs in North America
by caroyannis on Sunday July 06, 2014 @03:54PM
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Hey there! I actually thought about this quite a bit, and I can see how that would be a big issue, especially for property owners.
In the next while I'm going to implement accounts for building managers to be able to flag and remove comments under certain restrictions. I'm hoping this provides people with an easy way to remove fraudulent claims.
Re:Show HN: Find and Report Bed Bugs in North America
by m0dE on Sunday July 06, 2014 @04:16PM
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The property owners dont have time and dont want anything to do with your site. In fact, they are probably oblivious to your site's existence. How are you going to prevent harming properties' reputation without any involvement from the properties? Because, one way or another, their reputation is at risk through your site.
You should look into how tripadvisor deals with hotels. I believe there's been lawsuits, but the tripadvisor is powerful.
Re:Show HN: Find and Report Bed Bugs in North America
by _xhok on Sunday July 06, 2014 @04:37PM
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By the time the site gets big enough to make a dent in the properties' reputations, that will also be around the time property owners start hearing about it.
Re:Show HN: Find and Report Bed Bugs in North America
by stockninja on Sunday July 06, 2014 @08:11PM
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One problem -- Many Airbnb's don't list the actual address until the transaction is processed. Maybe you could include airbnb 'listings' -- but i guess the host could just change the listing ... something to think about.
Re:Show HN: Find and Report Bed Bugs in North America
by MayanAstronaut on Sunday July 06, 2014 @04:06PM
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Any name and shame sites do not last due to the overload of fake reviews and opinions.
The only way is to verify that they stayed there, like what airbnb does or other hoteling and hosteling site do.
There are lots of worthy projects around bedbug tracking that you could do, particularly if you want to focus on specific cities. But please do the work yourself, and use your own data.
Of course it's possible that your search simply doesn't work, there are copious error messages on Bedbug Registry... Can you give more details about what you think was scraped from you?
At most BedbugLookup seems to be a superset of your site data.
Edit: seems the search on BBR is not working for me (and apparently for me only). Thanks for providing the links, I see that the data was indeed scraped. Not cool.
Ditto for Vancouver and NYC. I stopped looking after that.
http://bedbugregistry.com/metro/toronto/
It's listed on the site as "the bedbug capital of Canada".
There wasn't any malicious intent, I certainly don't make any money off of this. I just made this project for fun because I thought it'd be useful to have aggregated data from other reporting websites.
I'll remove the data at your request, though.
What?
You basically stole a bunch of data without attribution to forge the credibility of your service and now you are just waving it off as not a big deal? What's wrong with you? I see no other option but to flag you the hell off the front page.
One problem is legal backlash, I would have hosted this overseas like the bedbugregistry did to prevent takedown notices and lawsuits.
This is helpful when dealing with lying landlords who claim there was never a problem until you moved in, so it must be something you did and refuse to pay for treatment, refund damage deposits and generally screw you over. Then you go on one of these bug registry sites and discover they've had bedbug infestations for years.
I actually have most of the backend for this already complete but I was waiting to see how useful people thought this would be. Apparently very!
I'm starting with 17 cities in North America.
In Vancouver, BC (where I'm from) you haven't been able to submit new reports for 2+ years unless you're using their iOS app. A majority of the website is outdated and I wanted to make a resource to fix that problem.
In the next while I'm going to implement accounts for building managers to be able to flag and remove comments under certain restrictions. I'm hoping this provides people with an easy way to remove fraudulent claims.
You should look into how tripadvisor deals with hotels. I believe there's been lawsuits, but the tripadvisor is powerful.
Hope you have some good SEO implementation as I believe people typing in prospective apartment addresses is probably the biggest lead for traffic.
Yup, I did the entire website, front and backend.