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Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by ratsbane on Friday August 28, 2009 @10:20PM (#792677)
PG could configure the news.ycombinator.com server to return a 301 to any request which has a HOST header that's not news.ycombinator.com - either that or hardcode the domain name in links.

I'm sure that Volida's motives are honest as he stated but this practice - buying a domain name that sounds like something popular and setting the A records to the intended site - has the potential to be used maliciously. All you'd have to do is wait for traffic to grow and then, in time, switch the DNS records to your own site. Of course, the HTTPS pages are going to show certificate problems while your A record is pointing at the original target - but many users will just go ahead and accept bad certificates.

How would a legitimate site owner defend against this sort of thing? Would the solution I described in the top paragraph be effective? Has this ever been done maliciously?

Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by gila on Saturday August 29, 2009 @02:00AM (#792846)
I don't know too much about web whatnots but couldn't this be done through virtualhosts? like say ip/other domains go to nothing or another place, domain.tld/subd.domain.tld goes to the main website?

Or am I mistaken and this circumvents that?

Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by tlrobinson on Saturday August 29, 2009 @03:49AM (#792954)
Sure, if he wanted to block it completely. Or he could just do the redirect with a simple check of the Host header.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by erlanger on Saturday August 29, 2009 @12:38AM (#792779)
> Of course, the HTTPS pages

What HTTPS pages?

Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by jey on Saturday August 29, 2009 @01:28AM (#792814)
The hypothetical ones.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by sh1mmer on Friday August 28, 2009 @09:19PM (#792619)
If the only reason is shortness of typing, why don't you use a bookmark? Even s60 browsers have those.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by helveticaman on Friday August 28, 2009 @09:29PM (#792629)
Sometimes you have to access something from cybercafes. I bought qwertqwert.com so I could access "Dvorak anywhere" quickly with a qwerty keyboard.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by sh1mmer on Friday August 28, 2009 @10:27PM (#792682)
Except that you don't seem to be doing anything with it.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by jordyhoyt on Saturday August 29, 2009 @03:11AM (#792912)
protip: www
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by sh1mmer on Saturday August 29, 2009 @06:30AM (#793039)
So adding www makes his example completely moot. If shortness were an issue then why only use www.qwertqwert.com ?
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by jordyhoyt on Monday August 31, 2009 @07:58PM (#796977)
I never claimed that his example was representative of a useful, short domain name, I simply pointed out that you came to a conclusion that was wrong after doing far too little research. If you have a problem with the length of his domain name, I'd suggest commenting to him, not me.

The downmods are ridiculous, did I honestly distract from the conversation or did everyone disagree that putting www in front fixes it? This place is dying.

Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by sokoloff on Saturday August 29, 2009 @08:20AM (#793098)
qwertqwert Ctrl-Enter is pretty short and works in most Windows browsers (such as you're likely to find in an internet cafe)

(ctrl-enter adds a leading http://www. and a trailing .com if either is missing)

Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by helveticaman on Sunday August 30, 2009 @03:27PM (#794858)
good point. thanks for the hint.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by lucumo on Saturday August 29, 2009 @06:59AM (#793051)
Domains that require www need to die.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by hrishi on Saturday August 29, 2009 @10:00AM (#793170)
google 'hn'.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by rms on Friday August 28, 2009 @10:28PM (#792684)
With autocomplete, typing can be faster than a bookmark when all you have to do is type "h" then press down and ok.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by simonsarris on Friday August 28, 2009 @11:04PM (#792708)
Amusingly, all I do is type "n" and then press enter, and Google Chrome takes me here using the normal address.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by apotheon on Friday August 28, 2009 @11:48PM (#792747)
I typically get as far as "new", but then, I routinely have more than a hundred tabs open in Firefox. If Chrom(e|ium) worked on FreeBSD, I'd probably be using that instead.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by Pistos2 on Saturday August 29, 2009 @12:38AM (#792780)
I like leaving things open, but I'm really curious how having over 30 tabs is an improved user experience. The most common places I visit are either always etched in the address bar history, and so are reachable in a few keystrokes, or have outright aliases, so I can type a keyword and it transforms into a URL. Everything else is just a handful of keystrokes away, via Selfmarks (my bookmarks-on-the-internet service).

How can you navigate among your tabs with any semblance of ease or speed?

Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by apotheon on Saturday August 29, 2009 @02:01AM (#792847)
I write professionally, and I often have close to a dozen tabs open for research toward the completion of a single article.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by jey on Saturday August 29, 2009 @01:33AM (#792818)
Yeah, I keep hearing of people (esp. power users) using web browsers with hundreds of tabs open, and I don't understand why they need so many, nor how it remains manageable/useful/navigable. When I end up with > 25 tabs, it usually just means I need to run a garbage collection cycle. Whatever the reason is, it's probably some use case(s) that could be better handled by the browser or an extension. Are they using all the tabs as a queue of stuff to read? That's a problem I run into, and I deal with it by keeping a vim buffer open with a list of URLs.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by jacquesm on Saturday August 29, 2009 @04:28AM (#792983)
I use my browser as my 'auxiliary memory', if I don't have time to read something right away I just open a tab and leave it until I have time.

On a typical day this means that in the morning I start with the session I left the evening before, say 25 tabs or so (usually project + whatever documentation I need for it), then as the day goes by the number of open tabs slowly increases. By the evening it probably is at its peak somewhere between 50 and 70 or so, then before I go to bed I catch up on my reading and close anything that doesn't have to do with work ready for the next cycle.

Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by apgwoz on Saturday August 29, 2009 @10:39AM (#793219)
You should try instapaper.com
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by apotheon on Sunday August 30, 2009 @03:44PM (#794880)
. . . or the Read it Later extension for Firefox.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by biotech on Saturday August 29, 2009 @02:16AM (#792865)
When I end up with > 25 tabs, it usually just means I need to run a garbage collection cycle.

I agree in theory; that many tabs are pretty difficult to manage. Unfortunately, a garbage collection cycle forces me to focus on garbage collecting (since I will usually have several important sites open among the trash), breaking my concentration on the research. It ends up being more productive to leave them open for a while, until they reach some threshold where I have to do too much work to find the important open sites among the garbage. That point for me is definitely more than 25 but also less than 100. I assume that it's different for different people.

Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by sh1mmer on Sunday August 30, 2009 @09:14PM (#795206)
Exactly, the same happens for me "n" is for Hacker News in my Firefox vunderbar.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by Dobbs on Saturday August 29, 2009 @07:52AM (#793070)
For vimperator users you can use marks:

    'M<a-z>' where <a-z> is the letter you want, to set the mark.
Then:

    'go<a-z>' to open in the current tab.
    'gn<a-z>' for a new tab.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by chaosprophet on Saturday August 29, 2009 @01:24AM (#792809)
I just type "Hacker news" into the awesomebar of Firefox and Google does the rest.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by sharjeel on Saturday August 29, 2009 @01:54AM (#792839)
seems more like a Chuck Norris fact
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by qeorge on Friday August 28, 2009 @09:26PM (#792627)
Its a good example of how poorly Google's duplicate content filter works[1]. But I agree, its quite deceptive.

[1]http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahackerne.ws

Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by snprbob86 on Friday August 28, 2009 @09:43PM (#792642)
Why not donate the domain to YCombinator?
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by Zev on Friday August 28, 2009 @10:09PM (#792667)
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=84040 (found via http://searchyc.com/hackerne.ws?sort=by_date_r) — Sounds like he's offered to do so in the past.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by volida on Friday August 28, 2009 @11:03PM (#792707)
Like Zev pointed out, I am willing to do so.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by cookiecaper on Saturday August 29, 2009 @12:07AM (#792761)
Why should he donate it? He should sell it. If PG decides it adds usefulness, guy should at least get the purchase price back, if not more.

Obviously it's just a convenient domain name, so he won't sell it for a lot of money, but should sell it for _something_. PG can afford a reasonably priced domain, I think.

Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by snprbob86 on Saturday August 29, 2009 @04:46AM (#792993)
Or, PG could easily block it, rendering it useless.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by Hexstream on Saturday August 29, 2009 @01:27PM (#793395)
"Well, I don't plan in doing any kind of man-in-middle attack. Neither I am planning to selling the domain to a 3rd party."

Well, I still think it's irresponsible to provide or use such a "service". I can't think it's good for security if people get in the habit of relying on potentially unreliable third-parties just for the heck of it.

Why ask people to trust that you have only good intentions when that wouldn't even be necessary if you didn't provide a (IMHO less than worthless) "service"?

I might sound harsh, but the whole matter just reeks of sloppiness to me.

Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by joubert on Saturday August 29, 2009 @08:05AM (#793081)
1) I don't think the domain adds a wide spread value (if any). 2) Dunno why people are getting their panties in a knot.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by christefano on Sunday August 30, 2009 @08:51AM (#794423)
Thank you for posting this.

Since the domain is registered at GoDaddy, it's trivial to set up a redirect. Just select the domain and click the "Forward" button.

By the way, for someone who prefers to remain anonymous you don't make it very easy to post anonymously on your weblog.

Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by chanux2 on Friday August 28, 2009 @11:42PM (#792742)
I do not see a need of short or fancy URL for HN.

BUT

since it's out there and the owner is willing to donate, I think it's better PG getting it.

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Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by jmtulloss on Friday August 28, 2009 @09:51PM (#792651)
He explained in the article why he doesn't do a 301 redirect.
Re:Who owns http://hackerne.ws by tlrobinson on Friday August 28, 2009 @10:09PM (#792666)
"I'd have to setup a server, which would enforce the notion that I am doing some kind of man-in-the-middle attack. There is also some obvious reason pointed out by HN members, no need to refer to it."

The first one isn't a good reason. If it immediately redirects the user will then be at news.ycombinator.com, which can be trusted.

What was the second reason?

Also, pg could solve this by performing the redirect himself whenever the "Host" header is not equal to "news.ycombinator.com"